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Originally posted by yavoon
haha ur logic is the match of waving a stick around in hawaii and saying it wards off bears.
haha ur logic is the match of waving a stick around in hawaii and saying it wards off bears.
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And your English sucks.
"Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - Solver -
In answer to those who claim that a fetus is a parasite during the first 9 months after the conception,
That might be true, and in fact that makes the fetus very human.
Pherhaps you missed it, but all human beings start being a parasite for the first 9 months.
In fact there has never been a human so far in history who didn't parasite serveral months.
Every mother has been such a parasite for her mother!
If only for that reason any mother should not complain about the problems during pregnancy.
It's not if the baby is only 'ruining' her body.
The mother has 'ruined' the body of her mother likewise.
If her mother would have aborted her there wouldn't have been any body at all to ruin anymore left over.Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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I don't know how things are in the states,Originally posted by Asuka
So you assume a woman is capable of full-time studying and/or working during the ~9 month pregnancy? Even if she would be, it could be even dangerous or fatal to the fetus (e.g. miscarriage) and the mother (e.g. depression, fever), so is that also something what you anti-abortionists find fully acceptable and such be put aside, while struggling to be so, ack, morally correct?
Gimme a break.
but here in the Netherlands women keep on studying / working until 2 weeks before the birth.
Thus indeed: women are about 90% capable to keep on doing what they already did. (unless they have fysical jobs which is quiet rare among women)
Besides that, life does come with periods in which you can't do what you want to do most. It's something you have to deal with. (instead of living like: "I'll destroy everything that comes on my path while I dislike it"Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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Just so we're completely clear with the pro-lifers here: abstract comparison time!
if one day you, the pro-lifer reading this, and I were to wake up in bed together with no memory or evidence of the previous night whatsoever other than the presence of a couple of used condom on the floor, and you discovered that somehow our bodies had become hooked up so that I was using all of your vital organs to sustain myself and I would surely die if I was removed... would it be murder for you to remove me from your body?Comment
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umm ur going to have to think about that hypothetical harder. u can't usually morally challenge someone on a physically impossible hypothetical. what did we do? **** each others brains together?!?!Originally posted by Gibsie
Just so we're completely clear with the pro-lifers here: abstract comparison time!
if one day you, the pro-lifer reading this, and I were to wake up in bed together with no memory or evidence of the previous night whatsoever other than the presence of a couple of used condom on the floor, and you discovered that somehow our bodies had become hooked up so that I was using all of your vital organs to sustain myself and I would surely die if I was removed... would it be murder for you to remove me from your body?Comment
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yes attack abreviation when U R INSANELY WRONG. I hear its a good ploy in inane dumbass land.Originally posted by Asuka
And your English sucks.
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ah well wasnt fast enough
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It's not called a hypothetical for nothing! Just answer the principle of the question then- if someone has sex, do they consent to having another living person living off of their own resources for the next nine months? Every time? Every person, or just women?Originally posted by yavoon
umm ur going to have to think about that hypothetical harder. u can't usually morally challenge someone on a physically impossible hypothetical. what did we do? **** each others brains together?!?!Comment
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Pherhaps people should take sex more seriously indeed.Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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they consent to the risk. as adults it is my FIRM fundamental belief that YOU AND NO ONE ELSE is responsible for what you do. this includes the risks of ur actions and not just the "hoped for" or "expected" consequences.Originally posted by Gibsie
It's not called a hypothetical for nothing! Just answer the principle of the question then- if someone has sex, do they consent to having another living person living off of their own resources for the next nine months? Every time? Every person, or just women?Comment
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But you still think the law should limit the rights of a sane adult, without giving the option of free choice and personal verdict on the issue?Originally posted by CyberShy
Besides that, life does come with periods in which you can't do what you want to do most. It's something you have to deal with. (instead of living like: "I'll destroy everything that comes on my path while I dislike it"
Pherhaps people should take sex more seriously indeed.
Or contraception for that matter."Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - SolverComment
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I don't have the free choise to kill someone.Originally posted by Asuka
But you still think the law should limit the rights of a sane adult, without giving the option of free choice and personal verdict on the issue?
Neither do I have the free choise to hurt anybody in my house.
But I respect free choise, like I said before.
free choise to have sex
free choise to use anti-conception
free choise to use morning-after pill.
But fortunately the law doesn't give us the right the freely chose to do whatever we want.
Life comes with responsebilities.
Become pregnant is such a responsebility.
I think for both man and woman.
A man who 'runs away' should be punished as well.
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Pherhaps people should take sex more seriously indeed.
Or contraception for that matter. [/QUOTE]
No, not just contraception.
Be more seriously about who you have sex with.
Nut just one-night stands.
Sure it's fun. But this 'fun' (might) comes with responsibilities.
The teenage-mother problem won't be that huge if we would tell the teenagers to handle sex more seriously.
For some strange reason we spread the attitude that sex is like a conversation. Just have it with anybody.
Of course we tell about anticonception etc.
But factually we're plain stupid. Of course much of these teenagers won't use it in the heat of the moment.
And then we have the responsibility of the baby.
it's not the babies fault, it's the fault of the father and the mother. And these days of the entire community because it threads sex as some fun thing to take which doesn't come with responsibilities.Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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A human being is a human being until he is born, after that its a gradual decline - better to kill the poor sod off early :sSo - I'd like to hear just how any of you might refute the fact that a 3 month old fetus (at the LEAST!) IS a human beingeimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophiasComment
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I'm not, strictly speaking, a pro-lifer but I'll take a stab at your weird hypothetical dilema anyway. If the condition was permanent (the attached person would never be able to be detached without dying) I'd insist on immediate removal. If it was certain that the conditon was temporary I guess I stick it out but even then I don't think i could handle it more than a couple of years.Originally posted by Gibsie
Just so we're completely clear with the pro-lifers here: abstract comparison time!
if one day you, the pro-lifer reading this, and I were to wake up in bed together with no memory or evidence of the previous night whatsoever other than the presence of a couple of used condom on the floor, and you discovered that somehow our bodies had become hooked up so that I was using all of your vital organs to sustain myself and I would surely die if I was removed... would it be murder for you to remove me from your body?Comment
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How far do you want to take this?they consent to the risk. as adults it is my FIRM fundamental belief that YOU AND NO ONE ELSE is responsible for what you do. this includes the risks of ur actions and not just the "hoped for" or "expected" consequences.
No medical assistance for the victims of car crashes. Let them stay trapped in the wreckage until they bleed to death or die of thirst. It's their fault for being on the road.
Abolish fire-fighters. Nobody should live in inflammable buildings, smoke, use gas for heating or cooking, own faulty electrical appliances, or light bonfires. Let these people burn.
Abolish the military and police. Anyone who can't defend his own property deserves to lose it. They shouldn't own so much stuff anyhow.Comment
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