Basque independentists create a plan to destroy Spain and France

[Ned]

Hey TCO, I think the Germans pushed the British Romans into the Cornwall, Wales and Scotland. This is why English originally had no Latin components. It was purely German.

Also, the legend of King Arthur is about the British Romans taking a stand against the Germans. In fact, some believe that Arthur was a legion commander who somehow stayed in Britain when the legions withdrew to the continent.

Knowing this, it is somehow "quaint" that the English view Arthur as one of "their" legendary heroes, when he was the enemy.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Fez


I hate to break this to you but you are not from my country. And you making judgements whether my country should be broken up or not are unacceptable. You are obviously too dumb and close minded to accept anything else.

You're always making judgements about our country, so stuff it.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by OliverFA
I am not surprised at your arguments. You don't give any real reason. You only do what the people like you know how to do: You accuse the other band to be worst than you. First, as has been appointed, even a biassed organization like AI has doubts about it. Second, Does this justify all the violence perpetred by the independentists?

Is it just me, or does Oliver remind you a lot of Fez, without so much vehemence?

[TCO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Is it just me, or does Oliver remind you a lot of Fez, without so much vehemence?

smarter too.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Is it just me, or does Oliver remind you a lot of Fez, without so much vehemence?

maybe it is a spanish thing

Jon Miller

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Ned
Hey TCO, I think the Germans pushed the British Romans into the Cornwall, Wales and Scotland. This is why English originally had no Latin components. It was purely German.

Also, the legend of King Arthur is about the British Romans taking a stand against the Germans. In fact, some believe that Arthur was a legion commander who somehow stayed in Britain when the legions withdrew to the continent.

Knowing this, it is somehow "quaint" that the English view Arthur as one of "their" legendary heroes, when he was the enemy.

Against the Saxons to be more precise, which were a tribe of mixed germanic, slavic and celtic origins.
I´ve heard one day, that Artus could be in reality have been a nephew of Ambrosius and that Merlin (which also sometimes was called Merlinus ambrosius) could de facto have been Amrosius aurelianus.
But other sorces seem to claim that Merlin seemed to be Myrrdin, an Druid or Prophet or Bard which served as a councelor to Artus.

Of course, as the english Kings and Queens are all descendants of the Saxon House of Sachsen, Coburg and Gotha, you could be right in stating that Artus was the Enemy of todays ernglish Kings and that Artus mission seemed to have failed in the end

[Hagbart]

The Basques have the best spanish bikeriders. Euskatel-Euskadi did a great job this year in the Tour.

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by TCO
Nobody answered my Oc question.

Your what?

[TCO]

What is the Oc langauge. What are its features. Where does it come from. And why are the speakers spread over Italy, France and sPain. Are they geographically continguous?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You're always making judgements about our country, so stuff it.

Well, I think I can as my father is serving the US Government and I am an American citizen aswell.

And besides, you hate your country anyways and its capitalist system.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Fez


Well, I think I can as my father is serving the US Government and I am an American citizen aswell.

And besides, you hate your country anyways and its capitalist system.

You tell him.

[HershOstropoler]

The Langue d'Oc?

Occitan is a romance language like Catalan, Italian or French, mostly in the south of France. French was originally limited to the north; the devide began when the south of Gaul was romanised sooner and more thoroughly, and was reinforced by germanic (frank) settlement in the north. There were also big cultural differences, eg in the legal system.

In the 13th century, the french monarchy enforced its claims in the south - the Catharian/Albigensian wars. Occitan gradually became a Patois.

As a language, it is closer to Catalan than to French or Italian (although there are similarities to northern italian dialects). It is spoken only in a few spanish villages IIRC and not in Italy; only in the Val d'Aosta the original dialect is a franko-provencal one, ie the tranistion zone between French and Occitan.

How it looks? Well, for medieval poetry:

Lanquand li jorn son lonc en mai
m'es bels douz chans d'auzels de loing
e quand me suis partitz de lai
remembra-m d'un'amor de loing
vauc de talan enbroncs e clis
si que chans ni flors d'albespis
no-m platz plus que l'inverns gelatz

Which would be in modern french:

Lorsque les jours sont longs en mai
M'est beau doux chant d'oiseaux de loin
Et quand je suis parti de là
Me souvenant d'amour de loin
Vais de désir front bas et clin* (* incliné)
Ainsi chants ni fleurs d'aubépine
Me plais(ent) plus que l'hiver(nale) gelée

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/maurice.ulis/Jaufre_Rudel.htm

[Ned]

While this is even more off-topic, one could say that the mid-to-late 400's set the cultural patterns for Europe that have largely lasted 'til today. It is also the age of legends, including the legends of Arthur and of Siqmund and Ziegfried.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Freedom

I am sure that someone elaborated.. but how is it that the Basque people are opressed?

Are they not allowed to prosper or what?

[yaroslav]

Guys, calm down and don't mix the topics!

We can speak of Franco in another thread (we can speak of Franco related to the Basque Country, but don't start a topic on this, please), this one is for a very problematic thing: the basque goverment is somewhat don't fighting the terrorism of ETA, and for that reason people is dying, what is a horrible, horrible, horrible thing.

I don't undernstand why some persons thinks that supporting ETA is right. Seriously, ETA is nothing but a bunch of murderes who kill kid, men and woman without a tear. They should be jailed (in spain there is not death sentece!)

Stop bashing against Spain, please. This is serious bussines and I don't think you're taking it seriously!