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ETA almost killed my uncle.. so how am I supposed to feel about this? If somebody says ETA is right, I will punch their teeth out. I am sorry but I am very serious on this.
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For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence) -
Basque people elect their own goverment, like all the others parts ("comunidades autonomas") of Spain. The Basque Country have such an autonomy that the Basque Goverment is even more responisble that the National Goverment of Basques' wellfare. The current Basque Goverment is a coaliction of Nationalist (both right-wing [PNV-PNB Nationalist Basque Party] and left-wing [EA, Eusko-Alkatasuna]) and comunist (IU - United Left). However, all comunist that live here (in other part of Spain, Andalucia) hates that IU is involved in such a goverment.Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
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I am sure that someone elaborated.. but how is it that the Basque people are opressed?
Are they not allowed to prosper or what?
The other parties of the Basque Country with seats in the parlament are
- PP [Right-wing, conservative] : The party that is in the govern of Spain right now.
- PSOE-PSE [Socialist, left-wing]: The other big party of Spain.
- Batasuna [Illegalized - Independentist Party that directly supports ETA].
It's very important to know that there are independentist parties that are not illegalized: only Batasuna, for its bounds with ETA, is illegalized.Trying to rehabilitateh and contribuing again to the civ-communityComment
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Correct me if I am wrong yaroslav, but I heard the PP made substantial gains in the Basque region?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I was not speaking about you, Fez. Let's see: sometime I agree with you, many others time I don't agree with you, but this time you're in the right side: ETA is a thing we should stop. There are some differences between us: for instance, I firmly believe in legal ways (not death squadrons), I don't like Franco, etc.Originally posted by Fez
ETA almost killed my uncle.. so how am I supposed to feel about this? If somebody says ETA is right, I will punch their teeth out. I am sorry but I am very serious on this.
I was speaking, for instance, about people who only want to flame you and don't take it seriously.Trying to rehabilitateh and contribuing again to the civ-communityComment
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Yes, both PP and PSOE are advancing a lot in the Basque region. PP's advance is spectacular, given their poor performace until 1995 or so.Originally posted by Fez
Correct me if I am wrong yaroslav, but I heard the PP made substantial gains in the Basque region?
Currently EA+PNV+IU have only 3 more seats that PP+PSOE. But if you count Batasuna, EA+PNV+IU+Batasuna the difference is bigger.
EDIT: PP's Link with the result of 2001 poll.
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so there is no proper oppression but ETA still wants independance???
What is the gain? Would they still want to stay within EU?Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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Yes, they want to be still a part of the EU, and some of them want "priviligue relations" with Spain (you know, the Basque Country sells a lot to the rest of Spain!).
The gain is that there will be "no oppresion". In my humble opinion, there is "no oppresion", but they believe it, they kill for that
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Just making my self clear. I think the legal ways including prision time would be the best option. I said death squads earlier but that is not legal and is not any better than what the terrorists do. Forgive me for saying that.Originally posted by yaroslav
I was not speaking about you, Fez. Let's see: sometime I agree with you, many others time I don't agree with you, but this time you're in the right side: ETA is a thing we should stop. There are some differences between us: for instance, I firmly believe in legal ways (not death squadrons), I don't like Franco, etc.
I was speaking, for instance, about people who only want to flame you and don't take it seriously.
I think I see why the seperatists are getting desperate.. the seperatist parties are starting to lose their grips on power.Yes, both PP and PSOE are advancing a lot in the Basque region. PP's advance is spectacular, given their poor performace until 1995 or so.
Is it true Aznar said he would even run in the Basque region as a Senator or something along those lines after his presidency is over?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Makes me glad that we handled the FLQ the way we did.
Of course, AI would not have approved.(\__/)
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Not exactly. Aznar, in the last "municipales" (elections for mayors and councilmen) goes on his party's list for the city of Bilbao. He was the last man of the list, and he would have been councilmen only if the PP would have got all the seats of the city... This didn't happen, of course. It was a solidarity thing, because the councilmen of PP and PSOE are the prefered and easiest target for the ETA mafia...Originally posted by Fez
Is it true Aznar said he would even run in the Basque region as a Senator or something along those lines after his presidency is over?
And about nationalist being desperate... well, I think that ETA is weaker than ever, and nationalist needs ETA as strong as possible. As many people have said "without ETA, all people would laugh about Ibarrexte's [Lehendakari - Basque President] idea".
One of the most famous senteces of Arzalluz [PNV's president] is
"some people shake the tree [ETA] and some people collect the fruits [PNV]"Trying to rehabilitateh and contribuing again to the civ-communityComment
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Well I believe that a very large majority in the Basque region don't even support ETA let alone the nationalist parties in the region. That is why the PP/PSOE are making gains in the region.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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When you know the answer tell me. I also want to know...Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
I am sure that someone elaborated.. but how is it that the Basque people are opressed?
The only oppression I know is the ETA opression against the basque people. For ETA a basque that doesn't share their ideas is a traitor Spanish."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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Sadly I am sure that they are taking it seriously and that they say exactly what they think.Originally posted by yaroslav
I don't undernstand why some persons thinks that supporting ETA is right. Seriously, ETA is nothing but a bunch of murderes who kill kid, men and woman without a tear. They should be jailed (in spain there is not death sentece!)
Stop bashing against Spain, please. This is serious bussines and I don't think you're taking it seriously!"Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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They not only want independence. They say that Spain oppreses them. They know it is a lie, but they also know that if they say it enought times some people abroad will believe it, provided the very few information about Spain that reaches the rest of the worldOriginally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
so there is no proper oppression but ETA still wants independance???
The gain is clear. They win absolute power over all the institutions. That's for the ruling class. For the people it would be very different.What is the gain? Would they still want to stay within EU?"Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
"A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)Comment
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