Basque independentists create a plan to destroy Spain and France

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Odin


I think they would support it as long as other nations don't force them to act like spaniards of frenchies.

Most polls done in the Basque region show they are pro-EU and don't want independence, Odin. The central government has provided a lot of economic freedom and a lot of expansion for the region.

[Odin]

Originally posted by TCO


More detail. Were there other regions in RE like that?

Not that I can think of, I am just trying to remember what I read about basques in a book on human genetics.

[Drake Tungsten]

And you didn't answer the Roman question. The issue was why they retained a non-Latin language and other areas did not.

Q7. Has Basque influenced the neighboring languages?

A7. Very little. Perhaps the chief reason Basque has survived is that the Romans had very little interest in the Basque Country and they largely left the Basques alone. As a result, the region was not romanized until very late. By the same token, Basque had little influence on the neighboring languages -- though Basque itself has borrowed thousands of words from Latin and its Romance descendants like Gascon and Castilian. In the Middle Ages, though, when the Basque-speaking Kingdom of Navarre was powerful, a number of Basque words were borrowed into local varieties of Spanish, including Castilian, but very few of these have survived. One which has survived is Castilian izquierdo `left (hand)', which is borrowed from the synonymous Basque ezker, or more precisely from an unrecorded Basque derivative *ezkerdo.

http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/users/larryt/basque.faqs.html

Were there other regions in RE like that?

Wales, to a lesser extent.

[GePap]

So we got the name for the sinister hand from them? evil basques!

Who care about the going ons of such an insignificant country? all that matters in Spain is with whom do the members of the Royal family seep or whatnot, that and a few movie directors.. after all, just look at the pinnacle of Spanish lit lately, Holla....

[Giancarlo]

Gepap, The Spanish royalty is not like the British royalty. They actually do something. And insignificant country? Not as insignificant as the crap that goes in your own... you had more dictators in this century then we have had. Noriega to name one of them.

[GePap]

God Fez, you are so predictable it is scary..hey, you beat us in the number of civil wars! Good for you!



(what will Fez do next? Hmmm, insult me somehow, tell me to be quiet, or that I am ignorant.... yup, that would be Fez: oh, and there is a 50% chance Communism or communist will come up..)

[asleepathewheel]

Good Riddance I say.

(Did I read the thread, no)

[Odin]

Originally posted by Fez
Gepap, The Spanish royalty is not like the British royalty. They actually do something. And insignificant country? Not as insignificant as the crap that goes in your own... you had more dictators in this century then we have had. Noriega to name one of them.

Franco was a murderous jack@ss of a thug. Spain IS insignificant. it has been insignificant ever since you lost your American colonies in the 1800's.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Odin


Franco was a murderous jack@ss of a thug. Spain IS insignificant. it has been insignificant ever since you lost your American colonies in the 1800's.

Spain is the world's eigth largest economy. And still is significant, you hapless jackass.

[notyoueither]

Fez, did anyone ever tell you that you are very easy to troll?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Fez, did anyone ever tell you that you are very easy to troll?

When it comes to my country I address even the trolls. When it comes to other subjects, I am the one doing the trolling.

[notyoueither]

Oh well then, have fun.

[LDiCesare]

For those who wanted to know what the French pays basque is like, I don't have a mpa, but it's half a departement, which makes about 10,000 or 20,000 square kilometers, with two 'big' cities, Bayonne and Biarritz, and very little in terms of economy except for tourism.

Just because you move to find a job doesn't mean you support union.

Well, considering you would have problems finding a job in France if you weren't national (particularly in the administration), I guarantee you that many basques and particularly corsicans are very happy to be French.

[HershOstropoler]

The Basque part of France is much smaller than that. The whole Department Pyrenees Atlantiques is only about 8000 km2.

As for roman control: People tend to overestimate the degree of centralization. Most administrative and judicial business was done by the cities that controlled the surrounding area; in less urbanized areas it was essentially old tribal structures in the pagi. The control by imperial authorities was often quite indirect, especially in Spain if you consider that the Tarraconensis province covered about half of the peninsula (although it had subdivisions and was later devided).

So areas could keep "national" traditions. The degree of romanisation and its deepness varied a lot. Gaul, Hispania, the alpine regions and the western balkans were mostly romanised; it was much weaker in Britannia. North Africa was quite mixed; the Romans barely controlled the Berber areas, and in many rural areas people still spoke phoenician in the 4th and 5th century. Illyrian elements survived in the balkans. And the basques in Hispania.

[Ned]

HO, Thanks for the history lesson. So, in a sense, the Basques were somewhat independent from Rome in terms of having to learn Latin - which I thought was required in the West.