Davis will be recalled!

[chequita guevara]

If I were a California Green, I'd put my hat in the ring.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Sava
Japher: I think you can attribute the power deregulation to higher costs... (although Davis might be responsible for that, I'm not sure...)

No, the deregulation scheme was the brainchild of Pete "Git These Damn Mezkins Outta Here" Wilson. Then Enron and other Bush buddies played the deregulated system. Davis pretty much signed those contracts under duress while CA was having sever power outages. The present contracts, at the time they were signed, were needed to keep the power flowing.

"Scapegoat", Japher? Why scapegoat Davis when the whole thing was a regulatory failure caused by Wilson and exaserbated by Bush. Place blame where it belongs.

Don't get me wrong - Davis is the sort of democrat that makes me vote Green. By don't hang this albatros around his neck. This turkey was Republican in origin.

[Agathon]

At least the Arn is a real compassionate conservative. Everyone I know who's ever met him, says that he's a wonderful guy.

Being a politician could tarnish his image though.

[Ned]

Originally posted by The Templar


No, the deregulation scheme was the brainchild of Pete "Git These Damn Mezkins Outta Here" Wilson. Then Enron and other Bush buddies played the deregulated system. Davis pretty much signed those contracts under duress while CA was having sever power outages. The present contracts, at the time they were signed, were needed to keep the power flowing.

"Scapegoat", Japher? Why scapegoat Davis when the whole thing was a regulatory failure caused by Wilson and exaserbated by Bush. Place blame where it belongs.

Don't get me wrong - Davis is the sort of democrat that makes me vote Green. By don't hang this albatros around his neck. This turkey was Republican in origin.

The Templar, of course the deregulation structure lead to the crisis. But Davis did nothing for at least eight months while Rome burned. By the time he acted, it was too late. The damage had been done. Permanent damage that will have very long term reprocussions.

Even after he acted, his solution of getting the government into the business of buying power was typically Democrat and stupid. He should have instead let the power companies enter into long term contracts and simply assumed the debt the power companies took on because of the difference between the cost of power and the prices they could sell it that were mandated by law.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by The Templar
Place blame where it belongs.

On the Democrat-controlled Legistlature of California?

[chequita guevara]

Both parties are responsible for the mess..

[The Templar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
On the Democrat-controlled Legistlature of California?

**** them too for going along.

And Ned, I'm not sure that Davis could have done much at that point. Moreover, the power companies were not to be trusted at that point either.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Sava
Show me a candidate, from either party, who has a definite solution to the budget crisis in your state, and I'll withdraw my objection.

First thing is to find someone with the ability to actually compromise and move a budget deal through the Legislature. Davis has so little popular support, and is so inclined to reverse himself and/or not follow through on anything he does that he has no clout with the legislature, even among his own party.

The simple fact of the voters replacing Davis will send a message to everyone to stop ****ing around. Ultimately, to solve the problem, you're going to need someone with enough knowledge of how the state government is structured to be able to tap a lot of special purpose funds lying around, and someone with the balls to take on state agencies and special purpose agencies (DWP for one).

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I have a question.

As a voter (were I in California) would I be able to vote NO on the recall, but still validly vote for a successor in case the recall vote succeeds.

Yes.

The way it works is that you vote up or down on the recall question, and optionally vote on a replacement on a separate section of the same ballot.

If you do not vote yes or no on the recall, but select a candidate, that is not be a valid vote - you must vote either yes or no on the recall question in order to vote for a candidate, but it doesn't matter whether you vote yes or no, as long as you do vote on the question.

[Japher]

Once again I am seeing it, and I have posted this observation many times to which everyone says that is not true:

When a dem is in office all their mistakes are because of something a repub did years ago (sometimes decades), but when a repub is in office all their mistakes are due to that repub...

I love it.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Japher
we don't need an economic genius here, we need someone who will not get pushed around or sit on their hands.

Actually, you need both, and someone with in-depth knowledge of public finance law and the mechanics of the state bureacracy. Running California is not like running any other state - there is a huge amount of money, huge number of employees, and a large number of nominally subordinate empires (the state special purpose agencies) which are primarily non-general fund financed, and which have relatively little accountability to the governor.

Economics and finance knowledge are essential, because there are a number of valid structural reasons that state services costs more to deliver in California compared to other states, but, there is also a huge amount of money lost to fluff, empire games, and relatively poor accountability.

[DinoDoc]

MtG for governor! The OTF needs to lay claim to its own state.

[MichaeltheGreat]

If I didn't despise the idea of living in Sacramento, taking a sizeable pay cut, and dealing with those asswipes in the legislature again (In the mid-90's I had to register as a state lobbyist for some work I was doing that involved dealing with legislative committees), I'd consider it.

A lot of people wouldn't like the short-term results if I won, though.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
A lot of people wouldn't like the short-term results if I won, though.

Would cutting waste piss off that many people?

Anyway I don't live in California, so I'd be cheering you on to glory.

[Japher]

Yeah, everyone gets 4-5 hours off each day while poly is down

Freedom of speech, however, would be right out as you can no longer say **** you, you **** son-of-a-*****, and while I'm at it **************'* **** *** * **** *******.... so there....

At least there wouldn't be any silly spam floating around.