Babylon and on - the new capitalism/communism thread

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Serb
Wha had the biggest missile?
Who had the biggest nuke?

That's because you couldn't do the same job with less. We didn't build Energia because we didn't need Energia. The reason our nukes were smaller is because we rely on acuracy. If you can hit your target, you don't need to blow up the entire province to get it.

After 1960, Soviet space technology began to lag behind the West. In some area, the Soviets were the most advanced in the world, in many areas of theoretical physics, chemistry, biology, etc. MiG-29 and Su-27(?) are among the best fighter craft in the world, rivaling the best American fighters. Why make up **** to be proud of when there is real stuff to be proud of?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Serb

Ok.

USSR.

What?

USSR.
2:1
Have a nice day.

Right, when I think Soviet UNion, I think "High quality drugs and non-political doctors!"

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Velociryx
1st probe to another planet - US

Actually, the Soviets landed the first probe on another body, the Moon. The Soviets were also the first to land a probe on another planet, Venus.

1st Lunar Landing - US

See above, although I expect you meant 1st manned Lunar landing.

[Velociryx]

Hey, I read the same article you posted. It says, and I quote:
It does not include people who, unable to find work, have set themselves up in their own businesses. No kidding! Perhaps it's because, having set themselves up in business, they're not unemployed! Shocking, I know.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Hey, I read the same article you posted. It says, and I quote:

And you ignored the numbers to suit your own agenda.

[Velociryx]

Didn't ignore them at all. Employed is employed. People working from home are employed. You agree. No biggie there.

People who have work (part time or not) and want a better job are employed. Use the term underemployed if it makes you sleep better.

I WANT to be making double my salary too! Guess I"m "underemployed" Better adjust that statistic....

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

Fair 'nuff....Russia beat us to Venus....that still puts the US out front. Not bad given the Russian head start....amazing, considering all the wonderous technological superiority of the former Soviet Union, eh?

-=Vel=-

[Lonestar]

Che, Communists are bad; see my sig for details.

But your last few posts have been completely correct.

[DinoDoc]

Personally, I think the reason they use the numbers we know and love rather than the ones che seems to prefer is becuase the more familiar numbers are based on more evidence rather than conjecture.

[Velociryx]

Hey....I'll bet if we came up with a broad enough definition, we could get the number even higher!

* but if you count the number of college students who will be graduating in the next four years, the unemployment number increases to 16%

* and if you count the number of people who are employed, but don't really like their jobs, the unemployment number increases to 22%

Man....such fun! What else can we add!?

-=Vel=-

EDIT: Actually, I think that since the US touts itself as being a capitalist-oriented economy, we should count all the folks employed by the government as being "unemployed" too! That'd get it up over 25%, surely!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Oh goody! Yes! Let's whip 'em out and compare, shall we?

Space, he says:
1st Satellite - Russia
1st Spaceman - Russia
1st probe to another planet - US
1st semi-permanent space station - US
1st Lunar Landing - US
1st Orbiting telescope - US
1st Reusable spacecraft - US
-=Vel=-

1st Satellite - Russia

Correct.

1st Spaceman - Russia

Correct.

1st probe to another planet - US

Incorrect.
I don't know about which planet your are talking about, but Russians launched interplanetary probes to the Moon, Mars and Venus earlier than anyone else.

1st semi-permanent space station - US

Incorrect.
Soviet "Salut" was first space station. Not to mention that you never had station like "Mir".

1st Lunar Landing - US

Correct.

1st Orbiting telescope - US

Correct.

1st Reusable spacecraft - US

Soviets had workable prototype of reusable spacecraft in 60's, but abondoned the idea because of its ineffectivneses or because of Khrushev's stupiduty.
Next:
First human in open space- USSR.
First women in space- USSR.
The record for the longest space flight of a single cosmonaut (over 400 days) - USSR.
Your turn.

[Lonestar]

Serb, in America we have a saying; "It doesn't matter where you were when the race started, it matters where you are when it ends.

30+ years later, America has have a dozen moon landings, USSR/Russia= 0

Ka-ching!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Personally, I think the reason they use the numbers we know and love rather than the ones che seems to prefer is becuase the more familiar numbers are based on more evidence rather than conjecture.

What part of the government publishes another set of statistics don't you people understand. I'm not the one inventing this number, the Fed's are.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Serb, in America we have a saying; "It doesn't matter where you were when the race started, it matters where you are when it ends.

30+ years later, America has have a dozen moon landings, USSR/Russia= 0

Ka-ching!

Well, let's be real for a second here. The prurpose of the moon race was to develop better ICBM technology. As both sides still have the capacity to annihilate one another and the rest of the human species and 99% of the rest of the biosphere, nobody's winning that race. In nuclear war, there are only losers.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
What part of the government publishes another set of statistics don't you people understand.

What part of I think the number is specious regardless of its source goes over your head?