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  • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
    For example (if you are being serious), the directives to 'make shoes' out of certain amount of leather resulted in abnormally high production of baby shoes, because it was easier to produce more of them from the same leather. Of course, what was needed was more adult shoes, but without real market forces (outside some farms) it wasn't gonna happen. Hence, reward inefficiency (because the managers would get bonuses).
    So all you have to do is add the specifications which I'm sure happened.
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    • That's pretty amazing, Kid, since as of Feb of this year the unemployment rate was 5.8%. So, you're telling us (with a straight face, even!) that it nearly doubled in five months?

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      • So all you have to do is add the specifications which I'm sure happened.


        Actually it didn't! Which is the sad thing .

        And amazinging most metal production in the USSR was sheet metal, because it was easiest to make that out of metal ore than other kinds of metal products.

        Why the bureaucrats never made specifications I dunno, because maybe it was because the system made them not give a **** .
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        • If your glorious revolution is all it's cracked up to be, people would be falling all over themselves to be a part of it.....so, show me an example of it in action today.

          People still have something to loose, maybe?
          Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
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          • Originally posted by Kidicious
            Che was right. The REAL US unemployment rate is 9.1%. I read it this morning.

            Also, 2% of the male US workforce is incarcerated.
            Fine. Show me the DOL data that proves it. This is what I get:

            (Year, J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D)

            1993 7.3 7.1 7.0 7.1 7.1 7.0 6.9 6.8 6.7 6.8 6.6 6.5
            1994 6.6 6.6 6.5 6.4 6.1 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.8 5.6 5.5
            1995 5.6 5.4 5.4 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.6
            1996 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.4 5.4
            1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7
            1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4
            1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.0
            2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.1 4.0 4.1 4.1 4.0 3.9 4.0 3.9
            2001 4.1 4.2 4.2 4.4 4.4 4.6 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.8
            2002 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.8 5.9 6.0
            2003 5.7 5.8 5.8 6.0 6.1

            6.1 % in May.

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            • a graphical aid...
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              • Include the discouraged worker rate of... what was it, .3%(?), and you get 6.4%.

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                • Oh, c'mon John! So they're off by a measley 32%....that's pretty good compared to some "book-cooking"

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                  EDIT: Good one, Alva!
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                  • Originally posted by Azazel
                    Another issue outside the actual enterprise was the design of the planning system itself, creating "rewards" for inefficient behaviors and disincentives for higher efficiency. I'd expect talented people in middle and upper management would be extremely discouraged by those problems

                    I have no idea what are you talking about. Really. ( unlike that Iran thread. )
                    The process of allocating resources to enterprises via the central planning process - since enterprises weren't free to set prices, etc. You got problems like bonuses based on the number of employees you had working for you, so getting rid of drunks and slackers would actually worsen your net results.

                    I have a few detailed books on Soviet economics and central planning in the Khrushchev through Gorbachev era, but I have to borrow them back from my dad. I'd have to look up stuff to give you exact info without garbling it.
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                    • Damn, Vel, that matches my information! Oh... it's from the same source... the people whose job it is to collate and publish this info.

                      Imagine that! Those dumbasses at the Department of Labor don't even know how to calculate the unemployment rate!

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                      • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                        Why the bureaucrats never made specifications I dunno, because maybe it was because the system made them not give a **** .
                        No, it was because of corruption. Corruption wasn't policed and dealt with properly.
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                        • Perhaps they'll tell us not to trust the numbers because they come from a government source.

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                          • No, it was because of corruption. Corruption wasn't policed and dealt with properly.


                            Part and parcel of the system. When you have an elite that live much better than the average folk with access to Western goods, even though you are supposed to have an equal society with only Russian goods, much corruption will probably arise.
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                            • Originally posted by JohnT
                              Damn, Vel, that matches my information! Oh... it's from the same source... the people whose job it is to collate and publish this info.

                              Imagine that! Those dumbasses at the Department of Labor don't even know how to calculate the unemployment rate!

                              You don't think I would just pull it out of my hat did you.

                              And today's unemployment rate could be much higher -- if the 4.7 million people who want a job but have given up looking all started looking for work again, thus rejoining the labor force, the unemployment rate would skyrocket to 9.1 percent.
                              CNN Money
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                              • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                                No, it was because of corruption. Corruption wasn't policed and dealt with properly.


                                Part and parcel of the system. When you have an elite that live much better than the average folk with access to Western goods, even though you are supposed to have an equal society with only Russian goods, much corruption will probably arise.
                                The economic planning system is not responsible for criminal enforcement the police are.
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