Babylon and on - the new capitalism/communism thread

[Velociryx]

He could work for Enron!

-=Vel=-

PS: Still can't come up with a quote, huh kid? Imagine!

[Odin]

What is wrong with syndicatism? I think it would be better than a wage-paying business because each person gets an equal share of the profit, that is the communist part, so the harder a person works the more everyone, INCLUDING the employee makes in profit; thus curing the "lousy work ethic" and "lack of an entrepeneurial spirit" problems that occur in most command economies. As I said, a Communism does not mean no free market, as long as employees contol the means of production it is a communist system.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Kidicious


People who just get depressed are different. These people get depressed because they face an identity crisis. Their entire self-esteem, which has been socially conditioned, has been shattered. They based their self-worth on their earning power. Now that that is gone they feel useless. They can not handle it emotionally so they have a mental breakdown.

You seem to have sympathy for these individuals, if their hypothetical disorder can be traced to the evils of capitalism.

Do you have similar sympathy for the far greater number of individuals whose assets you'd confiscate and whose pay you would cut to increase your across-the-board "equality?"

If you ignore purchasing power parity and hyperinflation (logistics trumps revolutionary ideology every time), "equalizing" everyone in the world economically would remove the capital from every US business, paralyze financial and inventory systems, and reduce the average American's hourly wage to somewhere around three dollars an hour. (rough back of napkin calcs). Meanwhile, since you've killed the market, you've got to create a new system of arbitrary pricing, and until you do that, people are going to be hard-pressed to eat.

So what about people who have "identity crises" and go on rampages as a result of that? Oh, you kill them for being opposed to the revolution. So much for sympathy, lol.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Odin
What is wrong with syndicatism? I think it would be better than a wage-paying business because each person gets an equal share of the profit, that is the communist part, so the harder a person works the more everyone, INCLUDING the employee makes in profit; thus curing the "lousy work ethic" and "lack of an entrepeneurial spirit" problems that occur in most command economies. As I said, a Communism does not mean no free market, as long as employees contol the means of production it is a communist system.

OR, sponges who can't be fired because their owners realize they'll get the same as the hard workers if they skate, so why put out the effort?

And what happens when a company loses money? Do the worker scum all suck it up and pay out of their pockets, or do they walk and leave the rest hanging?

[chequita guevara]

*chegitz just shakes his head at the amount of misinformed anti-communist crap in this thread.

BTW, it's syndicalism, not syndicatism.

[Az]

As long as their power is mimited, very very usefull.

Ok, so what exactly is a vibrant part of the economy?

[Velociryx]

Actually, that should prolly read: "historically informed," rather than "misinformed" but no need to split hairs....

-=Vel=-

[Imran Siddiqui]

chegitz just shakes his head at the amount of misinformed anti-communist crap in this thread.

That's nothing compared to the misinformed anti-capitalist crap that occurs in this forum .

[Odin]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
OR, sponges who can't be fired because their owners realize they'll get the same as the hard workers if they skate, so why put out the effort?

And what happens when a company loses money? Do the worker scum all suck it up and pay out of their pockets, or do they walk and leave the rest hanging?

JEEZ! I'm taking Economics in my senior year in high shcool this fall, I will work out the details later. I would be happy with anything that fulfills the requirements for a democratic workplace with the least amount of government beauacracy and it must have the inventiveness of the free market. My idea is NOT set in stone, it is a work in progress.

Thanks for the spelling correction, Che.

DOH!

[JohnT]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
*chegitz just shakes his head at the amount of misinformed anti-communist crap in this thread.

BTW, it's syndicalism, not syndicatism.

*JohnT sits, stunned, at the fact that out of all of this, all that Che has to contribute is a spelling correction.



Of course we are used to the misinformed anti-capitalist crap in this forum.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Actually, that should prolly read: "historically informed," rather than "misinformed" but no need to split hairs....

-=Vel=-

Whatever. You are hardly one to talk, since you've made up almost everything I've read outta you. Given I haven't delved too deeply into this thread, I can't say whether or not you actually do get your hands on some historical facts eventually. I truely fear the amount f writing I'm gonna have to do in this thread.

But not tonight. Tonight I'm studying web accessibility. I have to return a book from Inter-Library Loan, and this book can no longer be bought as the publishing house went out of business.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I'm tired of this crap then. How can I debate with someone so dishonest?

How's that underemployment rate study going? Is it now up to 20%?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by JohnT


*JohnT sits, stunned, at the fact that out of all of this, all that Che has to contribute is a spelling correction.

I am trying to avoid this place while at work, and when I first saw the damn thread, it was already 6 pages long IIRC. I decided I'd rather watch Elizabeth Rex and play on AmberMUSH instead.

[JohnT]

In regards to the following:

A man who has been downsized, who suffers from depression and or psychological morbidity, shoots his wife and kids, goes into his former place of employment and shoots everyone he can find who doesn’t get away, then turns the gun on himself and commits suicide, because he believes that his total self-worth is measured by his ability to earn money in the capitalist system. Who are these people?

Let it be known that the man with depression and/or psychological morbidity apparently (as you wrote it) suffered from these diseases prior to being laid off.

In short, your argument doesn't wash. The diseases caused the shootings, not the loss of job.

[Imran Siddiqui]

How's that underemployment rate study going? Is it now up to 20%?

I'd be suprised it it was under 50% for 2030 .