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Can you give us a quote? I agree with Spiffor. Service was considered unproductive labor during the time period.
Not right now I can't, but it's simple common sense. Is a thing at the store more valuable than a thing at the factory? Yes, because you can't get it at the factory. Without transportation and salespeople to enable you to purchase a commodity it has no realizable value. To quote DesCartes, a thing that exists is more perfect than a thing which does not. I know I've read it, though. I'll see if I can't dredge it up at home, unless I'm too busy with the Bunnygrrl, who is home from San Diego now.
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The goal of communism is equality of wealth and standard of living. At least that's what I remember from my class several years back. They believe this can best be achieved through state ownership of all productive assets. The state would then distribute the proceeds of those productive assets in a uniform fashion.
Theoretically no one would live in poverty since there would be enough wealth to go around, as a practical matter, that would only work if everyone was reduced to the least common denominator. That means, at least on a world wide scale, poverty.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Not right now I can't, but it's simple common sense. Is a thing at the store more valuable than a thing at the factory? Yes, because you can't get it at the factory. Without transportation and salespeople to enable you to purchase a commodity it has no realizable value. To quote DesCartes, a thing that exists is more perfect than a thing which does not. I know I've read it, though. I'll see if I can't dredge it up at home, unless I'm too busy with the Bunnygrrl, who is home from San Diego now.
That kind of service yes, because it contributes to the value of the good, but what about service that doesn't contribute to the value of a good, like a maid or a butler.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
The goal of communism is equality of wealth and standard of living. At least that's what I remember from my class several years back. They believe this can best be achieved through state ownership of all productive assets. The state would then distribute the proceeds of those productive assets in a uniform fashion.
Theoretically no one would live in poverty since there would be enough wealth to go around, as a practical matter, that would only work if everyone was reduced to the least common denominator. That means, at least on a world wide scale, poverty.
That's close enough to score some points in horsehoes. As far as world wide poverty, the first responsibility of a workers state is to spread the revolution, not do good deeds unto others. The second responsibility is to try and raise the standard of living within its own country. The third responsibility is to export to less fortunate revolutionary countries the means with which they can raise their own standards of living.
I know, I'm splitting hairs, but your hairs are in a Gordian knot, i.e, be careful what you learn from college professors.
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Originally posted by Kidicious
That kind of service yes, because it contributes to the value of the good, but what about service that doesn't contribute to the value of a good, like a maid or a butler.
That would likely be considered like the services of teachers and doctors. In this case, the service itself is the commodity. The service has a use-value and an exchange value, like any other commodity. The fact that it is intangible doesn't make it any less a commodity. If Marx didn't explicitely state this, it should mean to be taken that he ignoerd it. I will have to search on this, though. It seems to me self-evident, so it surely occurred to a greater thinker than I.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Originally posted by Oerdin
Gepap: If one is to believe Engles & Marx then communism is all about Community and Equality. Everyone is absolutely equal reguardless of ability. The only criteria is need. "Each according to his needs, each according to his ability" and all that. Once needs are met then everyone must be absolutely equal; thus if someone is less then equal then wealth must be redistributed in order to make them equal. Remember that starving African? Is he equal? No? Then a good communist would work to make him equal by giving arranging for wealth to be given to him until he is equal.
Lets begin: You believe everyone is equal as well: the matter of equality is central to modern thinking. If not, democracy would not be seen as a value.
Look at the quote: "to each according to their needs, to each according to his ability", andf look at the starving African. Do you think that he is able to do as much as he is able to do, if he is starving? Without each according to his needs you never will get each accoridng to his abilities. Were is equality of outcome ever mandated in this quote? If one is more able, for this quote to be true, he should end up with more, as long as his ending up with more does not deny someone esle of what comes to them according to their needs.
I do believe that it is an outrage that the rich western world, with the ability to feed everyone in the world does not do so. Endless human potential is wasted in the sake of "market efficiency", something that as a system is utterly amoral. The system does not care about good or bad, good or evil, only efficient, infefficient. But people are all too willing to confuse the two for their own needs.
And as I said earlier, true communism can only come about once we have a system so prodcutive as to allow everyone what they need while also affording everyone according to their ability.
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No arguments from me Che...I *know* it's BS....again, straight from the mouth of your fellow Comrades.... (so tell me, in our perfect little communist commune, if you and I go fishing, I catch four, and you catch two, what is the proper good communist response here? Should I give you one, or release two, so the "wealth" is distributed equally? After all....surplusses are a dangerous thing....if I build up a sufficient "fish surplus" I can then stop fishing for my dinner and begin dreaming up ways of exploiting you....
Tass: "Communism is more of a system where the wealth is DISTRIBUTED, not where its just given up!!! It's where the lower class is elevated to at least the middle class, but it's not a "Take from the rich, give to the poor" type system."
Try telling the above to the mom and pop owners of the shoe factory the workers commandeer in pursuit of their glorious revolution....
"Well then they are wrong. It is just that simple."
Your fellow Comrades, hard at work....
Maniac: I don't spend too much (any) time dreaming of the perfect world--generally too busy improving my lot in the real one and/or pretending to be working and posting on 'poly, which is one of my chief forms of entertainment!
However, IN the real world (or, if you prefer, my perception of it, based on my own experiences), what I see works very well.
True. Not everyone has equal opportunities. That is to say, where Bill Gates has the resources available to found a new hospital in Oregon, that option is not open to me (well, there's an outside chance, sure, cos things like that have happened, but it's not something I'm interested in in any event).
So, I have scalar opportunities. Opportunities that are scaled to the size of the resource base I have, and at the end of the day, that is what is important.
It does not matter that I will never achieve "Gatesian Wealth," because already, I have been able to improve my station in life many times over. Several thousand percent from where I was. In that regard, I have accomplished many times more than the person who was born wealthy and is at the same level of wealth he was at twenty years ago.
I am not exceptional in this regard. Just an average guy who developed a few talents along the way, and diligently applied myself to that improvement. No special education, no magic tricks, or surprise inheritances....just steady work, taking advantage of opportunities as they arose, and creating some of my own along the way as they occurred to me (and they don't just jump out at you most times, and are not just lying about on the ground to be picked up like nuggest of gold, so in that regard, yes, it is perhaps a shade metaphysical....but the opportunities are where you are).
The opportunity of advancement for all. That's what I've experienced, and that's what I've seen around me. If you disagree, bring me a case study. A real person you know who can't seem to make it happen. We'll talk about it privately and I'm willing to bet we can make something happen....
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Originally posted by GePap
Endless human potential is wasted in the sake of "market efficiency", something that as a system is utterly amoral.
One of the massive ineficiencies inherent to capitalism, but not the only one.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Because homelessness and starvation are not a valid alternative to living in a capitalist system.
How can you claim to be gay when you are living in a straight society? If you're gonna be gay, then you must renounce everything straight. (Won't that make driving fun.)
Socialism is about taking capitalism and improving it. When we say we mean to abolish capitalism we don't mean to tear it down. We mean to abolish it the same way an adult abolishes the child, by growing up. Socialism abolishes capitalism by transcending it, building into something bigger and better than itself. The old will be recognizable, but the new will be stronger, smarter, more creative.
You can relax Chegitz -- I understand the points made to my question.
But as for me being gay in a heterosexist society . . . since my being gay is not a choice, I will always be gay whether I would be hypocritical or not.
In fact, many homophobics are gay but they vehemently deny it by hating those homosexuals who are comfortable with who they really are.
Now, if I was hypocritical while claiming to be a gay ACTIVIST, that is something similar to being hypocritical while claiming to be a communist. And I try to be consistent as a gay activist.
And you falliciously put words in my mouth -- I never said that you needed to starve or be homeless to be a consistent communist before I took in the answers to my question.
I thought you would have to give up luxuries, but according to the points made, I thought wrong.
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Originally posted by Velociryx
No arguments from me Che...I *know* it's BS....again, straight from the mouth of your fellow Comrades.... (so tell me, in our perfect little communist commune, if you and I go fishing, I catch four, and you catch two, what is the proper good communist response here? Should I give you one, or release two, so the "wealth" is distributed equally? After all....surplusses are a dangerous thing....if I build up a sufficient "fish surplus" I can then stop fishing for my dinner and begin dreaming up ways of exploiting you....
We through the fish together in a pot and the commune has fish stew with the rice that other comrades have harvested and vegetables other comrades have gathered. Then we drink the beer other comrades have made and entertain each other with stories of the one that got away.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
One of the massive ineficiencies inherent to capitalism, but not the only one.
Communism has way more inefficencies than capitalism. Capitalism is a logical working system. Communism is not. Communism in all senses is illogical. I don't know why some of you actually believe in communism. It creates nothing but economic chaos.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
As formulated in theory, the marketr is perfect at gettign rid of economic inefficiencies. The main problem today si that the ability of a consumer to actually know what the true costs of his choices are, and what is the best chocie for them is highly limited, either becuase many costs are inherently 'hidden', or they will never be able to really "know" what all their choices are.
In the NYT's magazine they had a nice article, about how the time of recessions vs boomtimes has been changing over time, with more time for booms and less for busts. And they postulate that this gorwth is due to the victory of capital over labor. Labor is more "flexible" today. The rpoblem is that while that sounds fine to an economicst, what does "more flexible labor" mean for a worker? Less joib security, the need perhaps to siwthc jobs often (and with that benefits) and perhaps also a constant need to keep movign about and to work longer hours and take less time off. The system as a whole purrs along, more wealth being created, but the reality of the individual atom becomes less and less secure, much more stressfull. That is what marxist speak about worker alienation.
If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw
Communism has way more inefficencies than capitalism. Capitalism is a logical working system. Communism is not. Communism in all senses is illogical. I don't know why some of you actually believe in communism. It creates nothing but economic chaos.
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