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This list explains some of the psychological motives behind the neo-socialist/communist motives as well as identifies some major sub movements within the socialist/communist movements as well as the thinking, and fallacies, behind these movements.
The Poser Commie Movement:
Possibly accounting for over 90% of the people who claim to be socialists or communists, the poser commie movement is typically followed by those of younger age groups. Most who follow this movement tend to adopt socialism for the sole purpose of social deviance and protest of society's values. In other words, they hear that communism conflicts with freedom, morality, and other mainstream societal values so they claim to be communists to protest exactly such. Poser commie followers rarely demonstrate any actual knowledge themselves of the communist and socialist philosophy, though openly claiming to endorse the philosophy. The poser commie movement is not one of true socialism as it adopts only a title of "socialism" with limited and extremely shallow substance behind it. This movement's motives tend to be limited to a mentality that communism and socialism are against what America stands for and what society teaches one to stand for and therefore must "cool." Based almost entirely on a desire to find a method to "defy" and "protest" freedom and democracy with a seemingly obvious opposition to it, poser communism is little more than a following of fraudulent foolishness.
Socialist and Communist Ideologue Movement:
Typically comprised of those who have extensively studied Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky's writings (and often little more), this movement rarely acknowledges the dismal failures of the communist and socialist philosophies when instituted in practice. Often claiming "True communism has never really been instituted" and insisting that if it were, it would work, the ideologue movement often follows utopian dreams rather than recognizing the flaws of reality. Numerous ideologue web sites promising a better society while claiming to sympathize with the workers in an effort to make everything fair and just have sprung up recently with links to this movement. This ideologue movement is often too deluded to realize flaws exist in the socialist and communist theory and therefore it speaks of a utopia physically unattainable due to inherent flaws and simple impossibility. This highly dogmatic ideologue movement often propagandizes communism and socialism with the writings of Upton Sinclair, John Steinbeck, and Leon Trotsky while trying to force this type of thought on others.
Demagogue Movement:
This small movement is mostly limited to those who seek to use communism and socialism as a facade for achieving power. Many of histories great communist dictators such as Stalin and Castro are perfect examples of demagogues. Quoting communist theories while working their way to power behind the scenes, demagogues often prove extremely tyrannical when finally on top. The demagogue movement is in its own right an uninvited and unwanted branch of communism/socialism that draws to the theory inevitably for communism and socialism often entail wide, unchecked power consolidated in a very defined few plus a resulting need to encroach upon freedom and liberty, as is inherently necessary for implementation of communist and socialist systems.
Old Guard Communist Movement:
The Old Guard Communist Movement is typically a reactionary one comprised of Soviet Union leftovers. Endorsing a return to old Soviet way, though in reality that way was a disastrous failure, as a solution to transition problems in the economies of former Soviet states has become a rallying cry for the Old Guard Movement.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I was once on the fence. Trotsky was once on the fence. Fence-sitters and lurkers have potential.Originally posted by El Awrence
Who needs them! They lack conviction for any political ideal and are therefore useless.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Give it a rest commies.. you can have your beliefs and you can talk about them all you want. Just don't force them on others. I used to do that with my beliefs and some probably will still claim I do.. but I don't. That is my final statement I will make in this thread.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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It's a very good book. Puts to the lie the idea that the Gulags were death camps. Prisoners arguing with guards about their treatment not being socialist, prioners getting packages from home, most of the prisoners being common criminals . . . not the picture painted by most.Originally posted by Fez
Read "One Day in the Life of Ivan Deniosvich" by Solhenitsyn. One day in a gulag because of communism.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Chegitz, did you actually read the book?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Not true. Castro is in no way like Stalin, and Nicaragua wasn't dictatorial at all. Finland wasn't dictatorial for the few months it was red. The Indian state of Karala has never been dicatorial. East Timor isn't dictatorial. Most places where Communists have taken power, Stalin-like dictators have not popped, though most have become dictatorships. Then again, the track record of capitalists nations isn't very good. Only a small handlful havn't gone through a dictatorship themselves.Originally posted by Jack_www
In every country that communism has taken hold dictators like Stalin have poped up.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Not true. Castro is in no way like Stalin, and Nicaragua wasn't dictatorial at all.
Nicaragua not dictatorial? Man what the hell... yes it was... when that rapist Ortega was holding power.
Castro isn't a copy of Stalin but he is a dictator.
What have you been smoking?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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liar!That is my final statement I will make in this thread.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Oops.. I meant one of my final statements..
Sava, go check out my new pictures.. You'll like them.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Actually, this is quite a lot the interpretation I gave it. Made the gulag much less political. Almost as if the prisoners and guards, despite different status, accepted that they're all in the same boat.Originally posted by Fez
Chegitz, did you actually read the book?
Additionally, if Solzhenytsin was in a cancer ward, while he'd been in a gulag, and survived, I'd hardly think the gulags were that bad, I mean, if it were as the traditional view of the gulag pictures it, I doubt there'd even be an infirmary, let alone a cancer ward where zeks actually recovered.Comment
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I might respect communists, even as I poke some fun at you guys, but you can never convert me to that ideology.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Those on the fences and lurkers thinking about socialism.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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My BS detector just went off big time.Originally posted by El Awrence
True capitalism is what gave Argentina its current economic situation,I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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You must look at the facts though, 20-50 million did die under Stalin's dictatorship because of his purges.Originally posted by El Awrence
Actually, this is quite a lot the interpretation I gave it. Made the gulag much less political. Almost as if the prisoners and guards, despite different status, accepted that they're all in the same boat.
Additionally, if Solzhenytsin was in a cancer ward, while he'd been in a gulag, and survived, I'd hardly think the gulags were that bad, I mean, if it were as the traditional view of the gulag pictures it, I doubt there'd even be an infirmary, let alone a cancer ward where zeks actually recovered.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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