What do we think of PTW now?

[Nubclear]

I really have no idea why people are so eager to buy (and preorder) PtW. To me, it just doesn't seem like it adds enough. Sure, there are more civs (which can be downloaded free off the net) and then there are new improvements (airbases, etc) and a few bug fixes.....

For me personally (meaning I'm speaking about myself. I'm not pretending to speak for you.) PtW just doesnt have enough. I'm not going to spend 30 bucks for a few extra civs, some improvements, a bug fix, and multiplayer. I want more things to do! Are there any plans to improve the UN? A new victory, perhaps? Of course just one of these things alone wouldnt do it, but....I'd like to be able to change HOW I play Civ3, not just who I play it with.

I'm probably not going to buy The Sims Online because, well, multiplayer for 50.00 (here in Utah all the sims expansions are 50, while the isms is 60). If they include other things then I might, but from what i know now I'm not going to.

And still, yes some of the things in PtW look appealing....so I can understand people who buy it. But because of the negatives as well, I dont understand people who are preordering it! Let us at least wait for the reviews. I kick myself in my backside because I did not listen to the reviews when I made my first purchase in this series, and Im personally not going to do it again. Yes, all the previews are saying its a great expansion pack....but they attribute the greatness to multiplayer Therefore, I personally would wait for reviews before buying (or possibly not buying) PtW. No offense, but preordering it just seems dumb to me.

[WarpStorm]

Right now if you have multiple mods on your system you need to keep multiple copies of the various resource files (art, units, terrain, text files, etc.). Mike said he implemented a path scheme where you tell your mod the order of directories to search for files in. This means that you can build mods and share resources without messing up a previous mod or the original files and without having to copy files around.

[WarpStorm]

Spending $30 dollars on a preorder is a very small risk for a few extra days of game playing. If it sucks (I doubt it, but you never know), I'm out about the cost of one meal or a fill up of gas. In any case, less than taking the wife and kids out to a kiddy movie that's guaranteed to suck. It's No Big Deal. If it's great, I played it earlier.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by WarpStorm
Spending $30 dollars on a preorder is a very small risk for a few extra days of game playing. If it sucks (I doubt it, but you never know), I'm out about the cost of one meal or a fill up of gas. In any case, less than taking the wife and kids out to a kiddy movie that's guaranteed to suck. It's No Big Deal. If it's great, I played it earlier.

But for some, 30 dollars isn't just something you can just throw out in the wind. If I could just spare 30 dollars iwth no big reprocussions, then I'd own many more things.

(Btw, it costs you $30.00 to go out to a kiddie movie!? It only costs 3 here. Meal = 10. Gas.....well....)

[WarpStorm]

$6 for each kid + $7 for each adult + $4 for each popcorn (ouch) + $3 for each drink (ouch)

It costs even more to get a baby sitter and take the wife out to a good movie.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by WarpStorm
$6 for each kid + $7 for each adult + $4 for each popcorn (ouch) + $3 for each drink (ouch)

It costs even more to get a baby sitter and take the wife out to a good movie.

Thats quite expensive.

3 dollars for entire family (we get discounts, otehrwise it would be 4 for kid, 5 for adult.) popcorn is only 2 here and drinks aren't anywher enear three dollars.

Come to Utah next time you plan on watching a kiddie movie

[WarpStorm]

If it weren't for the airfare, I could save a few bucks.

[The Pioneer]

One thinkg that strikes me is that Zulu being an avid Civ3 player and a suppoerts of Firaxis has turned along with some others! It's true that scenario building is important to some people same as MP but to me thery aren't. I've played Civ2 for years and although I bought the FW CD I never really played it. The civil War and WWII scenarios were the only ones I tried but I never really played.

Sure lots of people will be dissapointed out there but remember Civ2 evolved with time and the support that Firaxis has given us up to now is excellent.

I will buy the game asap when it comes out because of the improvements on SP and I am pretty sure that I'd be satisfied. It's your choice as a consumer.


So long...

[Traelin]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
I really have no idea why people are so eager to buy (and preorder) PtW. To me, it just doesn't seem like it adds enough. Sure, there are more civs (which can be downloaded free off the net) and then there are new improvements (airbases, etc) and a few bug fixes.....

Tassadar, I have to admit I'm a simple man with simple pleasures. All it takes for me to be happy with PTW and any other future XPs is that diplomacy is modded (heavily) and REALLY REALLY annoying bugs are fixed (like the one I had previously mentioned about suddenly declaring war). Well I'm not getting my diplomacy mods, but at least some bugs will be fixed.

I completely understand your point about being wary of buying a product before reviews come in, but -- for me -- I've never been disappointed with a Sid Meier product and have faith that PTW will make me happy. They've done a good job in supporting Civ3 so far, so I can't really expect them to keep coming out with patches. Therefore, I'm more than happy to pick up the XP and continue supporting the Civ franchise!

[The Pioneer]

Originally posted by Traelin

... but -- for me -- I've never been disappointed with a Sid Meier product and have faith that PTW will make me happy. They've done a good job in supporting Civ3 so far, so I can't really expect them to keep coming out with patches. Therefore, I'm more than happy to pick up the XP and continue supporting the Civ franchise!

Exactly my thoughts.

[asleepathewheel]

Can someone tell me the risk in buying on release?

I basically want the new civs. Probably won't play much mp, so no issues there.

I would think that the major bugs (if you could call the bugs on release major, which I would not) have been worked out by now and that the scope of the expansion is fairly limited, especially in SP.

So some question why people are eager to buy it, the day of release. I ask, why wait?


As an aside, while I realize that I could download new civs, I prefer to get them from firaxis. I like official things, want to avoid heavy modding etc. Plus, while the online ones are great, I'm sure, they aren't at the professional level that firaxis can produce. Plus its easier to discuss standard civs on the board.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
As an aside, while I realize that I could download new civs, I prefer to get them from firaxis. I like official things, want to avoid heavy modding etc. Plus, while the online ones are great, I'm sure, they aren't at the professional level that firaxis can produce. Plus its easier to discuss standard civs on the board.

On this I must dissent (SMAC quoting, anyone? ).
Official release have some advantage about patch compatibility, because usually they can better check to avoid future trouble with source code.

OTOH, on a quality point I saw some excellent stuff in download area of Apolyton or some others fan community. Trouble with heavily modded game are that you have more difficult to share experience on a strategy forum: different units, different stats, different terrain, different tech... The only hassle free change I know is some different graphic: some terrain set look very well.

It seems as the old debate about the quality of a freeware software vs. a commerciallylicensed one. And no, thanks, I'm not starting another thread about it.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Adm.Naismith


On this I must dissent (SMAC quoting, anyone? ).
Official release have some advantage about patch compatibility, because usually they can better check to avoid future trouble with source code.

OTOH, on a quality point I saw some excellent stuff in download area of Apolyton or some others fan community. Trouble with heavily modded game are that you have more difficult to share experience on a strategy forum: different units, different stats, different terrain, different tech... The only hassle free change I know is some different graphic: some terrain set look very well.

It seems as the old debate about the quality of a freeware software vs. a commerciallylicensed one. And no, thanks, I'm not starting another thread about it.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize how insulting my statement was.

I for one am using Sn00py's graphic set, which I think is better than what came with the game. And other graphics and units look awesome. Its really the leader heads and continuity with the rest of the leaders that I'm looking for. My bad about the previous statement. God knows I couldn't do many of the units and other things people have done to the game.

[Zero]

... but -- for me -- I've never been disappointed with a Sid Meier product and have faith that PTW will make me happy. They've done a good job in supporting Civ3 so far, so I can't really expect them to keep coming out with patches. Therefore, I'm more than happy to pick up the XP and continue supporting the Civ franchise!

Hey even sid mier and firaxis are human. (well firaxis isnt human. its a corporation run by bunch of human but ya kno wat i mean) We should expect flaws here and there.

We can't expect perfection with ptW, but we can safely guess that it's goin to make us happy with all the promised features.

[ixnay]

I for one am definitely looking forward to PtW. And I'm sure that no matter how many options they give us for "scenarios", there's going to be some people that will figure out how to make some pretty entertaining ones.