it's here: 1.21F PATCH DETAILS

[Franses]

Thanks Mike for your explanation.

[SpencerH]

Holy smoke two at once

Glad to see it

What about the icons? It doesnt limit the number of units or techs (that we know of) but it is a pain!

[Hagbart]

Firaxians: Minimap?

Hello Firaxians!
Why did you choose not to include a minimap in the editor. It can't be that hard. Did you not have the time for it?

Other than that the patch looks very cool!

[Gramphos]

Is the new BIC-version 3.08, or is it more then that?

[Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS]

Originally posted by SpencerH
What about the icons? It doesnt limit the number of units or techs (that we know of) but it is a pain!

See the following:

* Updated resource icon loading so that it's not hard-coded.
Any number of resource icons can now be loaded from resources.pcx as
longs they are 49x49 with a 1-pixel border (and don't forget to update
resource_shadows.pcx).
* Updated unit icon loading so that it's no longer hard-coded.
Any number of unit icons can now be loaded as long as they are 32x32
with a 1-pixel border.

Tech icons are probably still a problem for now...

[ixnay]

Wow, sounds like a lot of good stuff.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS


See the following:



Tech icons are probably still a problem for now...

Thanks I just spotted it myself (its all those small letters so close together it makes my brain go numb), but you beat me to the post

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS

Originally posted by SpencerH
What about the icons? It doesnt limit the number of units or techs (that we know of) but it is a pain!

See the following:

* Updated resource icon loading so that it's not hard-coded.
Any number of resource icons can now be loaded from resources.pcx as
longs they are 49x49 with a 1-pixel border (and don't forget to update
resource_shadows.pcx).
* Updated unit icon loading so that it's no longer hard-coded.
Any number of unit icons can now be loaded as long as they are 32x32
with a 1-pixel border.

Tech icons are probably still a problem for now...

Exactly what has been changed? is it the number limit? How is it working now, does the units need to be on the same line, or can I place then randomly in the file, Just because it looks fun, as long as I keep a border around each icon?
Can I increase width and hight how mush i want, or is there any other limits?

[Arrian]

Hmm, looks promising. I wonder exactly how much they "adjusted advance trading rates for the AI." Can't wait to find out, actually.

Courthouses, Police Stations & WLTKD stronger versus corruption/waste - ok with me, but at this point the main issue with corruption is the optimal # of cities, not the effect of CH's and PS's. But then again, I was pretty much ok with corruption under 1.17 (at least on normal maps, dunno about large/huge).

Personally, I like the decreased map sizes, but I can imagine some who like playing on truely huge maps will be annoyed.

Draft/Hurry penalty dropped to 20 turns = good, especially for the AI. First pop sacrifice = 20 shields instead of 40... fine, will take a little getting used to, but fine.

Updated water unit movement to take into account the cost of
the terrain type.

Hmm... does this suggest that oceans will require more mp's than coast?

-Arrian

[Grumbold]

It all sounds interesting. Will any of these changes actually make the AI play differently, e.g. in tech trading or better use of bombardment units?

[Gramphos]

What does "[color={qcolor}]Editor: Exposed AI to AI trade rate.[/color]" mean?
Is it a rate for how the AI trade tach added to the editor? Where in the editor?

[Sirotnikov]

Interesting list of changes.

I think that with a few more, Civ III will actually be playable.

[Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS]

Originally posted by Arrian
Personally, I like the decreased map sizes, but I can imagine some who like playing on truely huge maps will be annoyed.

We changed the default size of these maps. The max. allowed size in the editor is unchanged.

Originally posted by Arrian
Updated water unit movement to take into account the cost of
the terrain type.

Hmm... does this suggest that oceans will require more mp's than coast?

This will only have an effect if you change the movement cost of water tiles. Currently Coast, Sea, and Ocean all have a movement cost of 1.

[Cesa]

* Adjusted advance trading rates for AI.

Could you give us the details on this one?

[Arrian]

I understood the map size change was just for the default maps - what I meant was that people who like to play on the really big maps all the time can't just fire up a new game (random map) at that size - now they have to use the editor or download a huge map, no? No skin off my nose either way.

Thanks for the clarification regarding ship movement. That's cool.

Thanks again for the responses.

-Arrian