Diplomacy Thread

[adaMada]

Togas,
Thank you, my lord. I'll dispatch a messanger to GoW's Ambassador Panzer immedietly.

Originally posted by Togas
You are authorized to publically state that you fear and do not trust GoW to all nations, however, I want to make it clear that *I* do not fear or distrust them any more than I fear and distrust every other nation. GoW is equally dangerous, and perhaps less dangerous than most because of their known nature and pre-imposed limits. I do not want any of you buying into the hype about them, but we will certainly sell the hype to everyone who will listen.

As I have said several times, I have given GoW's ambassador the impression that I'm fighting a heavily divided nation that distrusts them when I come with their deals. This helped us get a better deal at least once (I believe it got us a nonagression pact with the minimap trade, since I doubt they were afraid of us attacking them), and I think the policy's a good one for now (until we decide our onlook). As such, irregardless of your true feelings about GoW, it will also help me (for the time being) if it seems like several prominent members of our society distrusts them. The fact that we will continue to bring them deals will lead them to believe (hopefully) that this is just a powerful minority, but I believe this whole diplo-play will be very useful in the future. I think it would be counterproductive, however, to overplay it -- if we have everyone on our team saying "GoW's evil", we'll never be able to push a deal through. As such, in my next communication, I'll leave the impression that I've been fighting hard to save Masonry for GoW, that Togas is willing to consider all sources as equal and as such will take the deal if we can make contact soon enough, and (as such) that if we don't make contact soon enough, the deal is likely to go to another nation.

-- adaMada
Ambassador to GoW

[jdjdjd]

OK. As Lux has been lax , I will not pursue them with regards to the mini map issue. If they come back to me saying they want to, then I'll play games back at them, without insulting them.

[adaMada]

My message to Panzer32

Panzer,
Greetings to my counterpart from GoW. I trust that you are well, and that your team is prosperous?

As you have probably guessed we would, we have made contact with Neu Dem. A strong segment of our population has been pushing hard for making a tech trade with them, as we have already made contact and have several techs that interest us. Luckily, our great leader Togas does not share the strange distrust of your people that has infected some influential minority of our team. Though the agreement we made allowed for a change in deal if we encountered another civilization, Togas has decided to attempt to make the original deal we discussed. As such, we would ask that we commence plans for our scouts to meet between our two great nations as we had once discussed, that we can trade with you rather than helping ND any more than is necessary for our welfare. We already have a scout near the ND capital, and I can get more specific movement information if you agree to the meet.

Please let me know if you will consent to sending a scout to meet with us. Though my lord is very wise and I trust he will make the right decision, I fear internal pressures if we find ourselves waiting too long. I apologize for the abruptness of this communiqué, but I myself have only recently been given instructions, and wanted to begin discussion as soon as is possible.

-- adaMada
Togas' Ambassador to GoW

It's light on roleplay, but I wasn't lying when I said I wanted to get it out ASAP -- the sooner they've made their decision, the sooner we can start to move with the deal. I overplayed our distrust of ND, but as long as ND and GoW aren't comparing notes, I don't think we risk much .

Will comment more on the overall diplomatic situation later -- have to go do some real life stuff now .

-- adaMada

[Thrumble]

Re: My message to Panzer32

Originally posted by adaMada

We already have a scout near the ND capital

-- adaMada

We do? Where is their capital on the map I think I missed it.

[adaMada]

Re: Re: My message to Panzer32

Originally posted by Thrumble
We do? Where is their capital on the map I think I missed it.

Very good point. I was going off of information Togas told me in his earlier message, but I misread . Togas said we'd be coming from west of the ND capital, and I assumed that we already had a scout around that area. Looking at the map, our scout is already on the coastline, meaning that it would be heading north, up past ND's capital. It's a minor mistake, but for the sake of correctness, I canceled my previous message and resent with the last two lines changed to this:

We already have a scout ready to move up the coastline, west of the ND capital to meet you.

It gives away a bit more information, but nothing that really matters.

Thanks for pointing it out -- I would've gone on thinking that we had a scout right there for days . (The screenshots are great, but it's not really the same as seeing the game for yourself...)

-- adaMada

[pikesfan]

Originally posted by jdjdjd
As Lux has been lax

Maybe some presents would soften them up. Give them some lox and a lynx.

[E_T]

Re: Re: My message to Panzer32

Originally posted by Thrumble
We do? Where is their capital on the map I think I missed it.

See this post for a approxamate Neu Dem Capital Loaction.

[History Guy]

O Wise Togas, in accordance with your directives, I have dispatched this message to Picahulu, Envoy from the barbarian Arabs, who have no Alphabet, and cannot thus write notes to the milkman,

Greetings and hail, Picahulu, Gracious Ambassador of the Glorious and Magnificient Arabian People of the City of Neu Thebes, under Borc, Glorious Caliph of the Prophet, Speaker of the Word,

I thank you for your most excellent letter, which delighted the members of my court. We are very happy to have opportunity to trade with such mete and good people as your own, the glorious people of the Arabic tongue, the highest of all tongues in the northern countries.

In response to your fair request, I have mailed along with the letter a holiday sampler of the best of Spanish cuisine, with my own original recipe for fried calamari, the best of Spanish cuisine, and many other excellent dishes, minus the ham, which we understand is not something to be eaten in your country. That is alright, for we much prefer the seafood.

And now, sir, we are down to business. In the course of human events, a good deal of things have occured. You see, sir, we now have a much smaller offer from another land for the glorious, but as of yet hidden, secrets of Masonry. This other party has asked us for 20 gold for this secret, after they considered that every other civilization has it, and the value is significantly lessened. We are obviously delighted by the offer, and are very close to considering it, and thus we will be forced to turn down your however generous offer.

Instead, we should like to put forward another offer entirely. We have Alphabet, and we understand that you still do not, and so we'd like to know if you could trade for it Pottery and another technology, if another is handy as of now. Your wisest men will note that Alphabet is the most glorious discovery known to man, and it should not be overlooked. Therefore, we ask for Pottery and such another technology for the trade. Please do consider this, Wise Picahulu. Your nation shall be given what is perhaps the greatest single asset of these dark times.

As for these Chinese Warmongers, barbarians as they are, I agree that they are terribly dangerous as they are. They lie in wait like the spider, under his web, hidden by the leaves, until the small animal comes across it, and nestles down, and then it leaps for the kill. The Warmongers will undoubtedly be looking for a weak civilization, and alone, we are all very weak. We know that it is still too early for them to have much advantage, and yet we understand that they have incredible powers in the fields of industry and weaponry, and are able to make giant armies in the smallest amounts of time, and that they carry a bow, from which they can fire darts that pick off the quarry from a very long distance away. Cowardly as it may sound, it is terribly dangerous, and we should try and ally against such powerful force. I trust your government would, as soon as possible, like to cement some agreements to make us allies.

We are, as always, your best friends, allies, and brothers, the Spanish people.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Ambassador from Spain

By order of Milord, Togas, Great Despot, Lord of Madrid, Overlord of the Visigoths, Conqueror of the Vandals, and Gracious and Wise King of Madrid, Friend of the Arabic Peoples

This Picahulu responds quickly, so I shall be awaiting his Private Messenger, who despite his girth is also a very fast runner.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
Ambassador to the Arabs

[GodKing]

Gathering storm has asked not for our mini map - but the mini map of another (undisclosed) team for a copy of their mini map. Per togas' post above, I will decline this. Hopefully they will have something to come back with. They are having internal problems right now as nye is stepping down as leader of his team. No idea why, other than RL issues is the report. I will let you know as things progress.

GK

[Crousto]

Originally posted by GodKing
Gathering storm has asked not for our mini map - but the mini map of another (undisclosed) team for a copy of their mini map.
GK

Sounds like they've met an unit from another civ (Legoland? Vox?), and are planning an archers rush...

[Togas]

GS's offer is intreguing. My gut says no but I would like to hear some discussion on this. Would it be wise to give them the mini of, say, GoW? Perhaps it would be better to give them a manufactured mini that shows where Lux is? GS was originally called "Trash Trip's Ass" ... and since Lux never actually traded it to us, we wouldn't be breaking an agreement with them. We'd just cut out ND from it.

I really want to know where GS is. With that knowlege, we could probably estimate where Vox wound up.

--Togas

[History Guy]

Because of the lack of comments on my letter I suppose it was adequate...

[astrologix]

Togas, very good idea

[Togas]

Originally posted by History Guy
Because of the lack of comments on my letter I suppose it was adequate...

History Guy,

Your letters are always more than adequate. You do a supurb job in the representation of your despot.

--Togas

[astrologix]

History Guy, I love your letters