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  • I have written a response to the Neu Demogypticans. I apologize for not doing so earlier, but all last evening I was away and without a computer, and therefore unaware of the encounter.

    The letter:
    --

    I hail you, Senor Picahulu, most brilliant and gracious Ambassador of the Arabian peoples, the diamonds of the northern world, the most glorious people of the word.

    Firstly, may I express my pleasure at finally encountering you in the flesh. I apologize for not being able to do so as I wished at an earlier time, but I was on important business elsewhere and thus unaware of our encounter with your man Arne, who is by the way very good at frying fish.

    On behalf of my glorious Lord Togas, Despot and High King of the Land of Iberia, where the Vandals and Visigoths flatten out beneath him as his carpet, I address you to relay to your most glorious Caliph, Abu Borc, the following…

    We would be most kindly pleased and gratified if you would allow us to purchase from you the glorious secrets of Masonry, an ancient and noble art, for the price of 29 tonnes of gold brick, mined by our slaves over many generations. It is our entire treasury’s worth, and indeed a king’s ransom, and therefore it is, we believe, and beg you to accept, worth the technology. Remember, Masonry is a thing owned by all others on this earth, or so we believe.

    Alphabet, on the other hand, is something we are arguing over at the moment, I’m afraid. Such an advancement certainly calls for more than, I am sorry to say, Masonry, which is owned by most everyone. Alphabet is a seminal achievement. It is also unique. No one else in the world has created for themselves such a masterpiece of linguistic construction as the Alphabet of the Spanish. There are few who do not covet such a thing. We are unsure on what we’d let it go for. Even now there is debate.

    We ask, would your government be prepared to give us two technologies for our Alphabet?

    As for other civilizations, we’d like to know our way around the world thanks to your generosity. We have traded maps already, and we have both profited immensely from it, proving to the world our friendship. We’d now like to encounter some other civilizations, though none are as glorious as yours. What is this red civilization we see? Are this men of Lux Invicta, or the mysterious Vox Controli?

    We are also hearing stories of a people who call themselves the Warmongers, and have heard of their veracious appetite for warfare, and their glib tongue, and their words of gold which turn to poison. We have heard that they are untrustworthy, and claim to be mercenaries, but will instead stab one in the back. We also know that you have the unfortunate position of being place nearest to them. We fear that you may be the target of their aggression, and would like to make sure that you would not fight alone. Perhaps at the earliest opportunity we should sign a treaty and make friendship firm. A pact, perhaps. We ask you to consider this, so that we may stand together as friends and allies against such dangers as the Warmongers.

    I await your words.

    Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
    Ambassador from Spain
    ---

    I hope this is satisfactory. I touched on everything Milord Togas said to in his briefing.

    I also agree with Oliver that there is an alliance with Lux Invicta. It would only make perfect sense.

    Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
    Empire growing,
    Pleasures flowing,
    Fortune smiles and so should you.

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    • The references to the Warmongers are perhaps a bit explicit, but I like it.
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      • I thank you, Acting Despot, Lord Lorenzo.

        The references to the Warmongers were intentional, as per Togas' directives as laid out in a private letter.

        Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
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        • Wow, this thread is getting long...

          I have finally met and chatted with Admiral. He would not commit to knowing anyone, I even told him basically that I knew they had met Neu Dem and one other. He would not confirm anything only they met someone.

          He also joked that they had destroyed ND. Maybe a ruse to hide the fact they are in cohoots with ND.

          He will get back to me within a week on the minimap trade. Of course, we seem to know where they are now, to our North, and East of ND. But, still seeing their minimap may still help us to shed light of things to their north.
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          • Señor deCalamari, I read Aunt Joaquína your letter and she said “With words like that, I hope Lord Togas keeps him in Arabia as far away from my impressionable young girls as he can get.” Meanwhile when you get home if she catches you anywhere near the College of Etiquette

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            • I raise this as a possibility

              maybe ND and Lux DONT have a major deal... but Lux wants a trade monopoly with ND, so they are telling us they want an embargo?

              Or, maybe Lux is being honest here, and they want to conquer some or all of ND in the ancient age.
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              • Nice letter señor Calamari. I'm happy to see that the Spanish interests are so well defended far from our lands, so I can concentrate on my work at the nearest lands with tranquility.
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                • Well, I have another piece of correspondence from the self-proclaimed Caliph of Arabia, through his flunky and chief diplomat, Picahulu. Please comment immediately, as I should like to make a response in the next thirty-some hours.
                  --

                  (NOTE: He wrote two letters, both identical except for the fact that he accidentally identified the red team as the Warmongers, and he writes back now

                  please accept my apologizes for telling you something wrong accidentially. The red nation are NOT the warmongers, this is Lux Invicta. The Warmongers are grey and located at the upper right corner on our part of the world map. They're hard to tell on the minimap, maybe you have overseen them.
                  If you haven't posted my previous letter to your forum, please use the corrected one below.

                  Sorry again for my lack of concentration

                  Here is the corrected letter.

                  Friend Hernan,

                  thank you for your letter, it was - as always - a great delight to hear from you. I am pleased to hear that Arne showed off his cooking skills,we would be grateful if you can teach him to prepare some of your spanish meals as the spanish food is famous in the whole known world.

                  Although we think that 29 Gold is a good offer for Masonry, we even more like the direction of your second proposal. The parliament of ND agreed to give pottery in addition to masonry for Alphabet and a little sum of Gold, let's say about 15 tonnes.
                  I think you'll agree this is a good trade for both of us as Spain can keep the half of her treasury and discover two great technologies at once, which would enable you to build Granarys, City walls and the Pyramids.

                  Concernig your question towards the nations next to us, i can tell you that the red nation is Lux Invicta and the grey ones are the scruplesless Warmongers. We appreciate your sorrows about our safety and would like to thank you for your offer to establish a pact. We are currently discussing internally how this pact could look like. Maybe you have an idea?

                  Although none of the world civilizations will have built up an operational army in the next 1000 years, we think that the Chinese Warmongers will threaten not only us but also any other nation on the continent which has bad luck to be the victim of his army which can be hired by money. That's why we absolutely should discuss ways to prevent them from getting so strong that they will terrify the whole world. I think we should think of every possibility, without any taboos.

                  We are looking forward to hear from you again soon and remain in friendship.

                  Sincerly Yours,
                  Picahulu, Ambassador of Neu Demogyptica
                  ---

                  Comments, please.

                  How should we act concerning the Alphabet and 15 tonnes of our precious gold for Masonry and Pottery?

                  Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
                  Diplomat
                  Empire growing,
                  Pleasures flowing,
                  Fortune smiles and so should you.

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                  • Senor Ninot-- This could be the case, but I suggest that we keep good faith with Neu Demogyptica for now, as I think they could be good allies (and besides...I'd be out of a job!...just kidding...), and certainly it would be better to have some in that dangerous part of the world on our side, as Vox Controli and the Warmongers also loom ominously there, and to unnecessarily make another enemy there may be our downfall.

                    Senor Pikesfan-- What? But the girls keep inviting me! I have no hand in it! How am I, a chivalrous young Spaniard to turn down the invitation of the roses of Madrid in such a blunt way? Nay! I'm sorry to say, if I'm invited, I simply have to come...against my will...of course...really...no...I mean it...

                    Senor Oliver-- Thank you, sir, for your kind words.

                    Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger
                    Diplomat
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                    Pleasures flowing,
                    Fortune smiles and so should you.

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                    • And, what the? There's a smiley in that letter! Get thee out of there!!
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                      • sounds good to me, but it might invalidate our ability to tech whore Alphabit. But we have no idea on when we will encounter another Tribe, so the deal is probibly best to be made now.

                        As for GF's claim of ND having 12 techs from huts, etc, if that was the case, they would already have aquired Alphabet before being "gifted" a higher level tech from a Hut.

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                        • Sounds like a good trade to me. Potery would be extremely useful for us in REXing, and it's on the way to mapmaking.

                          I say... we can trust in them... for this time. They will benefit from our alphabet, but we will also benefit from their techs.
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                          • History Guy,
                            I don't know the value of pottery -- in all honesty, it's been so long since I played Civ 3, I barely remember what it does . Having said that, we should consider masonry a petty bonus at best -- we already have an agreement to get masonry from GoW, and once we make that trade, we'll be able to make several major trades.

                            Let's assume that GoW hasn't given Warrior Code to ND and that ND hasn't given anything to GoW. Working under that assumption, we can pull off a huge tech coup by waiting until we've met GoW.

                            I have nothing against the deal ND has offered us -- it sounds very good to me. Having said that, if we're willing to wait until we've met GoW, we can make two deals with a much better result, and wind up with a much higher techwhore potential. Obviously, there's one downside -- both GoW and ND seem to want us to sign tech embargos against the other, and any such action would probably put us in bad light with both teams, which would be a major point against it in my mind.

                            Doesn't ND have contacts with someone else (Lux)? Could we trade for contact with Lux and start working on deals with them before we take this one now?

                            I agree that this is a very good deal -- but I think we're giving away a bigger, more complete tech trade that we could have in a few turns. Why don't we at least wait for Togas to return and formulate some sort of overall diplomatic policy on our relations with these groups? If nothing else, we should decide what role we want to play in the coming conflicts -- this series of trades will help shape our relationships with all of the other teams in the region. We could establish an alliance with any team by giving them a favorable trade here -- or we could firmly establish our neutrality by trading whatever techs they give us away. Finally, when Togas and I planned the GoW deal, we gave them a very favorable one (with the idea of working towards a friendship at minimum). If we want to get out of such a 'nice' deal, we can aquire masonry now, and then renegotiate with GoW.

                            (On a totally different note: GoW saying that ND has 'twelve techs' -- I'd say that's a bit of roleplay, and Ghengis means that they've got several. Togas seemed to believe so too...).

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                            • Was Contact with the others an Option when we had made the ND Contact?

                              I know that there was a Quick meeting about this, but there was no report as to what they had Vs. what we had. Or is that Info not available in PTW as it is in Regular SP?

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                              • Originally posted by astrologix at the 3.100 BC thread
                                [OOC] If we see at the editor values, Masonry is rated 40, Pottery 20 and Alphabet 50. Since Masonry is owned by 5 other civs, its current rate must be around 20 (btw, I don't remember the formula). [/OOC]

                                This means that the deal proposed by señor Clemente is widely OK.

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