Diplomacy Thread

[Togas]

Gow aquired C.B. from another source. We aquired Masonry from another source. We can (and should) still trade GoW Alphabet and Bronze for W.C. and Wheel ... but we need to set the deal up before ND does.

adaMada -- contact Gow and tell them that we will trade 2 for 2 as above. Tell them to NOT TRADE WITH ND, as our warrior is "in the jungle by the west coast heading north" and will meet their warrior very soon.

Tell them that the Pro-ND forces in our government pushed the trade through for Masonry but that Togas still want to trade with them as above, and that they probably don't want to give ND any additional military techs as they're already far too dangerous a neighbor.

--Togas

[adaMada]

Message to GoW

Understood My Lord.

I have dispatched the following message to GoW's Ambassador Panzer:

Panzer,
I'm sorry to report that Pro-ND forces in my government have forced through a deal where we acquire masonry from them. Having said that, Togas has asked me to inform you that he's still very interested in a trade. We'd propose the same basic deal as before: nonagression pact for fifty turns after we meet and two for two tech exchange, with the tech exchange changed to Alphabet and Bronze Working from us for the Wheel and Warrior Code from you. I urge you to accept this deal and wait for us to meet (which should be very soon, as I am told our advance scouts grow closer with each passing day), as I believe it's in both of our best interests to avoid strengthening Neu Dem's tech lead much more. Though some of the members of my government are foolish in this regard, we should still try to trade with each other where we can rather than helping Neu Dem, who is a major danger to the both of us.

Please let me know what your government thinks of the proposal.

-- adaMada
Togas' Ambassador to Glory of War

[History Guy]

Pro-Neu Demogyptican forces? Hmmm...they must be a hideous sight to behold!

[adaMada]

GoW's Response

Panzer's response:

I would accept this deal, but it may be a few turns before we discover the wheel. I think we would have to leave it to alphabet for Warrior code for the immediate future.

Very late my time, and don't really have time to be here right now -- will post my thoughts in the morning if a decision on what response to send hasn't been made by then.

-- adaMada

[E_T]

Hopefully, the timing of the first meet and their research of The Wheel, coincide.

E_T

[adaMada]

I just got another PM from Panzer. Apparently he was mistaken, and they do have the wheel. I've asked him if he'll accept the 2-2 trade, which I think he will -- he implied he would in his previous message, so...

-- adaMada

[Hot Mustard]

Well, this will now depend on what Lux offers us for Alphabet, as we just met them and put it on the table.

[jdjdjd]

Please let me know if I should make any contact with the Admiral at Lux re: the Alphabet. Or are we just going to see what they counter with?

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by jdjdjd
Please let me know if I should make any contact with the Admiral at Lux re: the Alphabet. Or are we just going to see what they counter with?

Yes, jdjdjd, please do so. Togas mentioned in the chat that he'd get you to PM them about it immediately, so if he hasn't already PM'd you to do so, you should.

We put Alphabet on the table for consideration and Sent it to them. We're after any starting techs that we haven't already got. Though I'm not sure how that should be stated...have our ambassadors been telling other civs what we have in order to speed along negotiations?

[History Guy]

This is good. Let us hope that Neu Demogyptica's trade of Alphabet does not interfere with our plans with Lux Invicta, and perhaps even the Warmongers. I trust we may be able to get something good out of Lux Invicta, hopefully Warrior Code. This may be well, sirs, very well. The glory of the thane lords.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger

[adaMada]

Reply from Panzer is in, and the deal with GoW is:

Alphabet and Bronze Working for the Wheel and Warrior Code, with a fifty turn nonagression pact starting the turn that we make contact.

I hope my lord is pleased with the results.

-- adaMada

[ruby_maser]

This is good news

I find it interesting that they went for horseback riding instead of bronze working. That just underscores their offensive approach to the game. No wonder they are paranoid of their neighbors; they were miles away from spearmen without us. Its a deffiency they would probably want to keep quiet about with their neighbors.

[History Guy]

Though my imperialistic nature says "Hah! Go kill them now!", I must say the deal is very grand. Warrior Code and The Wheel are very nice pieces of technology, and I hear that they both would give us, combined with our knowledge of Bronze Working, the finest mobile army on the face of the planet. We would cover the valleys with our archers, and ride at the enemy in our fast, horse-drawn chariots, and we would defend better than any with our bronze-tipped spears. This is good.

Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger

[Hot Mustard]

Good work, adaMada. It may still take a few turns to make contact, but at least we're assured of having all the starting techs shortly.

With this news, I would strongly advise against trading Alphabet to Lux for anything GoW is going to give us - we don't want further upset them by changing the trade a second time. If Lux can give us enough cash - fine (to prevent either ND or GoW from profiting from it), otherwise we'll simply say that we've already acquired whatever techs they offer.

[Togas]

Lux Invicta Report

I had a long talk with the leader of Lux Invicta, Trip. After our two warriors exchanged greetings, I was able to sit down with their leader and, after a short bit of waffling and secrecy, he opened up and revealed quite a bit to me.

They are along a similar vein as Trip's old "Imperealist Party" from the Civ3 Demo game. They are democractic, have a leader, some formal positions, vote on things, but matters are handled informally and Trip makes most of the decisions (or skews them with his polls). They have 3 week terms of office, but it's 5 weeks now and they haven't done another election.

They met ND first, traded techs with them, and then made a territory/expansion agreement which ND backed out of at the last minute (after demanding that they expell their warrior/scout from ND territory). As a result, they don't trust ND and think of them as deal breakers.

They report that ND is surrounded by jungle and dessert and needs better land, and is expanding quickly.

They have also meet GoW, but have little to say other than they want to keep GoW neutral.

They are on the north-eastern corner of the map and are exploring south and west.

They have Iron Working and are working on other military techs. They also have Pottery, Masonry, Bronze, and Wheel.

They would like to coodinate research, trade us their war techs for Writing, etc.

Trip proposed an alliance/mutual defense pact. I agreed that it would be a good idea and proposed that we begin discussing it in more details as well as a research pact of some sort. We discussed this for a while, talking about how good it would be for us to cooperate in war and peace. I proposed we split the continent: they get north, we get south. Trip seemed very much in favor of such an arrangement.

All in all, the conversation went well. I chummed it up about old times in the Civ3 Demo Game and being a former member of Trip's Imperialist Party, we chatted about that a bit. I told a few despot stories and he talked about how lax his people were with their Constitution, but still felt it was good to have it just in case. He teased about taking full power over his team, and I offered to give him tips on how to run a despotism if he decided to go that direction.

He wants to go Monarchy. I told him I also wanted to go there. We agreed we'd probably split up the tech tree so that Spain did the writing & religion tree and they did the war and construction tree.

All in all, they are still somewhat stuck up and very certain of their manifest destiny, but they are now willing to talk and work together with us, especially since we are not a direct competator with them in either tech or land, and also since they have a festering rivalry brewing with ND.

I notified Trip that jdjdjd was our ambassador to them, he said their guy wasn't very active and he'd either appoint someone new or do the job himself.

--Togas