MSS, you are up

[Aeson]

They might be refering to that they won't trade for Iron either. In that case, it's a bit of a concession, but Gunpowder is just around the corner (if we ever start researching again that is... everyone else seems rather slow )

[Aeson]

I think that certain players on the other teams just want to heckle us. Others have no idea of the situation, and so 'all of southern estonia' sounds like a great deal... we get all the continent but Vox's small isthmus... when in reality we own that already, and it isn't half of what their team can lay claim to.

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by Arrian
By the way, some of the comments by people from other teams really pissed me off. Is Beta's propoganda really that good? Do people really EXPECT us to allow Vox to survive because we should be "nice guys?" WTF?

I've been thinking that too. I was reading in the RP chat how BigFree was saying things like "It just seems wrong for Vox to be out of the game" and "This feels weird to us". WTF?

We have shown far more mercy and patience with Vox than the Bobian Civs ever showed with Lux. In fact, Lux could have killed off both ND and GoW in the first 20 turns I believe (wandering warriors finding undefended capitals) but chose not to because it didn't seem fair.* Look what that bit of fair play and good spirit got them - swift annihilation.

The only teams with a track record of hounding another team in oblivion without mercy are ND, GoW and RP. For them to suggest that we are somehow not playing the game in the right spirit by wanting to conquer Vox is outrageous.


* Trip: If you read this I would appreciate it if you would let me know if this impression of mine about you finding the undefended capitals is correct.

[Arrian]

Actually, to date, the only team to eliminate another is... Vox.

Interesting, don't you think?

-Arrian

[FrustratedPoet]

Actually, to date, the only team to eliminate another is... Vox.

Very true, although Lux were effectively dead anyway of course. One city stuck between two uneasy empires was never likely to do them much good.

[OPD]

Originally posted by Arrian
Actually, to date, the only team to eliminate another is... Vox.

Interesting, don't you think?

-Arrian

That could be worth mentioning. They showed alot less mercy to Lux than we are showing to them. Also it again shows them to be untrustworthy.

[alva]

Actually, to date, the only team to eliminate another is... Vox.

Interesting, don't you think?

Does that mean we are next?

[Arrian]

Nah, I'd leave that out of it, because everybody knows that its was ND that really toasted Lux, and Vox simply took them out for being a PitA - after Vox had saved them from destruction.

No need to get into that old can of worms again. I still think it's kinda funny, though.

-Arrian

[Harovan]

I like Aeson's item-per-item approach. It should be included in the public statement.

[vulture]

I don't think there's anything to be gained by mentioning Lux in the offical response - we should stick to the facts about why Beta's comments are misleading and/or wrong. I don't think we'd be giving away too much admitting about the catapults, since Vox know how many we have there anyway, so the info is pretty much in the public domain already.

Although I don't normally like point-by-point rebutals, since they have a tendency to repeat themselves and get off the point (most such things end up coming across as mentally unstable IMHO), Aeson's seems to do the job fine. But lets not let Vox dictate the agenda. We do need to say that war would actively continue until peace was signed, and I don't think we give too much away by pointing out that Vox didn't withdraw from Inchon, and brought more troops in. And maybe point out that stalling tactics only help Vox, not us.

DON'T LET VOX DECLARE PEACE!

[vulture]

New proposal: when MSS gets here (assuming he's around), he can review all the comments in the thread, write the response, and post it without further discussion here. I think we need to get a response out reasonably soon, and that's probably going to be the quickest way to do it.

[Arrian]

Agreed with Sir Ralph that Aeson's line-item response (plus a screenshot) is the best response composed yet.

I might take out the exact number of our cats (7), though.

Oh, and somehow we really need to include our caveat that in-game hostilities would continue until a peace treaty was finalized. That part is crucial, IMO. It totally wipes out any attempt by them to portray moves as "shows of good faith" or whatever. We specifically stated that we would only stop fighting if we reached agreement on a formal deal.

-Arrian

[zeit]

Have you noticed there was no further response from Vox on the matter, besides Beta's?

I have a hunch- maybe this message isn't official at all. Perhaps this was his idea to post such a message, just to piss us off, or to force us into better terms.
I say I don't think Jon's message about a plan to leave the continent was a bluff.
We should consider this within ourselves, but stick to facts, not speculations in the following talks.

We might have a way of finding out more- simply by asking Jon what he actually meant by saying they have a plan to leave the continent.

OTOH, we might not even want to consider Vox staying in the game at this point, so there's no point in further investigation.

[ManicStarSeed]

I am here, butat work. I have a 30 minute meeting in 10 minutes... Let me see whaat I can come up with for discussion....
Mss

[Arrian]

Well, Nathan just basically did it. He said it's just him, but it's effectively our response.

I thought we were going the line-item route drafted by Aeson, with MSS putting the final draft together for final review, but I guess not.

It was a good post, Nathan, but why not leave it to the diplomatic corps to handle?

-Arrian