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**notyoueither** · June 12, 2003, 23:24

EMail sent to MSS to hurry him back, btw.

**Aeson** · June 13, 2003, 01:09

Vox needs to be eliminated from the game... completely.

We shouldn't say anything publicly IMO, but just let interested parties know the truth through diplomatic channels. (that those Immortals were all redlined by cats and were dead anyways, that Vox is the one that put peace on the table, ect.)

I also think this is a good time to trade maps. Give exact tile counts of the tiles on Estonia compared to what the 3 civs on Bob share. Vox is trying to make us look like meglomaniacs when all we did was kick their sorry 'offensive' (it could have been decent, but offensives require attacking...) out and don't trust them anymore...

I think we should be prepared to see them gift Dissidentville away to get some of their units back into their core.

It would appear that we are past the point of any reasoning or discussion.

With that post... yes. (that's my vote)

**Shiber** · June 13, 2003, 02:46

Oh, damn. I replied before reading this.
I'll delete my reply and post it here in a sec...

**Shiber** · June 13, 2003, 02:47

Beta,

This is low and ridiculous. I just can't believe that you're back to public lies and mud slinging. And you want GS to trust your team with another agreement?

The peace offer that you mention is rather similar to a peace offer that we have tried to communicate to Vox many turns prior to our maneuvers that have cut your iron supply and to our landing deep within your territory. You rejected it then. Now, to propose such an offer to us when we have troops knocking on the doorstep of several of your cities is insulting. We are close to complete victory, and you expect us to just give up all that we've put into this war (an entire GA blown on building military units) and settle for a quarter of what we could get if we continue the war?

No, Beta. I think we have made ourselves clear when we said that we will not throw all that we've put into this war away. Also, we've explained that your previous deception, following the break of this war, was so good that we cannot live peacefully by your nation ever again, wondering each turn when you will doublecross us again. Seriously, after everything that you've done, you can't expect us to be "nice" to you in negotiations.

Then, you go on to list some of your "tributes" to us. Whether these were really displays of good will is questionable - Jon did say that you've made some in-game mistakes in the past few turns, and the immortals that haven't attacked our beachhead (which, btw, would have probably failed horribly if they tried to attack our fortified pikemen on hills) did move south and north for no apparent reason. Then you go on to tell about your oh-so-kind tribute in the south, where you moved some immortals off of a mountain and into the open so that we could kill them more easily - but you conveniently neglect to mention that they were all down to 1HP, so whether this was a tribute or not is nearly meaningless, since we were attacking with veteran Medieval Infantry.
You never mentioned to us that these were displays of good will. Whereas we've made ourselves very clear that in-game hostilities will continue via diplomatic PMs.

And to top it all, you are now revealing to the public, without our consent, the details of our communications in the past few turns. And you still wonder why we wouldn't settle for an agreement that would leave you as our neighbours?

You try to present us as cruel foes - but as usual, you lie and cheat in the process. This is your second time now.

**ManicStarSeed** · June 13, 2003, 03:09

OK... I just was gonna turn of my computer for the night, but I guess I have some catching up to do.... Let me go through some threads and see what is up. I will sleep on it and get back to it in the morning (8-9 hrs from now..))

Mss

**Shiber** · June 13, 2003, 03:11

But we need to post something formal that will debunk all of Beta's lies, or else a Bobian spamfest will begin.

**Aeson** · June 13, 2003, 03:23

I think posting is just going to backfire. Let them lie while we take them out of the game. Anyone interested in hearing GS' side of things will ask in the chats we should continue doing.

**Harovan** · June 13, 2003, 03:24

I take back my support for plan Exodus. Vox has to leave this game. If they try to escape, hunt them down and sink their galleys.

Here's what I propose:

- No response whatsoever in that thread. It shall sink like a stone. Vox is practically dead, and we don't talk with a corpse.
- Diplomatic message to all teams showing our PoV. This includes a record of their treachery as well as the circumstances of the "execution" of their dead meat redlined immortals.
- Put naval patrols up to North Stormland. Reinforce them to a naval blockade.
- Ship more forces to North Stormland. They are most likely very poor defended there, may be some cities even undefended. I suspect this, after I saw how they panicked by posting this crap.
- Finish them off. No peace. Sorry, Nathan, I know how you wanted to use the rest of our GA. May be we can at least put half of our cities back to civil production, and crank up research again. The other half may produce reinforcements.

Vox delenda est.

**Shiber** · June 13, 2003, 03:33

Bleah. That idiot Beta.
A diplomatic message to all teams showing our PoV sounds like an excellent idea to me.

**notyoueither** · June 13, 2003, 03:42

I think we should let our fury cool, and allow our better natures to take over.

Vox is playing a card. There are not many cards left to them. Would we not appeal to the world at large if it suited us?

We need to reply, however that reply needs to be calm, rational, and friendly. Is our proposal that Vox leave our land unreasonable? Given the history? No. Others will see that if put well enough.

Do we hate Vox for pulling one over on us? I hope not. They played a hand that was dealt to them the best they knew how. I just thank some one or other that they could not play it better. I see no need to hate them. We won/are winning. Graciousness is a trait that suits winners very well.

Please, let us be gracious in victory. If we can not get past our baser emotions in victory, where can we?

**ManicStarSeed** · June 13, 2003, 03:44

How about...

As the Minister of Diplomatic Affairs, I am deeply saddend that this is the route that Vox has chosen to take regarding our once private peace negotiation. GS will not be held hostage to Vox's apparent attempt to bully us (in the public forum) into a policy contrary to what we have already adopted. GS has been forthcoming in it's decision that we intend to fufill our Manifest Destiny. Due to the clever Vox deception and aggression, Gathering Storm has spent an entire GA on the war effort. Nothing less than removal of Vox from our shores will satisfy (and properly compensate) us. This deplorable development only strenghtens our resolve and hardens our hearts towards Vox. May your blades chip and shatter

Our Diplomats will be contacting each nation soon so that we may discuss a world without Vox.

ManicStarSeed,
Minister of Diplomatic Affairs, Gathering Storm

Maybe we can add....

We regret that we killed your peace offering of all those (im)mortals, Was that the error that Jin spoke of?

We were willing to provide resources, luxurarys, tecnology and a 12 turn cease fire in order for vox to pull up stakes. We made it CLEAR that hostilities will continue until peace is finalized. Now hostilities shall continue until Vox is eliminated.

It is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE that we WELCOME RP to explore our coast, with our coordination to insure the war effort goes FULL STEAM AHEAD.

Mss

**ManicStarSeed** · June 13, 2003, 03:51

I could also add that We promised that hostilites would continue until we have a final agreement...

also ...

They understood we were seeking an UNCONDITIONAL surrender..peace on our terms which beta acknowledged

Lastly...

This is clearly these are the last drops of venom from a dying snake....

Mss

**notyoueither** · June 13, 2003, 03:52

Overly harsh?

The bit about elimination would only lend to make them fight like mad dogs.

**ManicStarSeed** · June 13, 2003, 03:55

Sir Ralph....

I fully agree.
Hunt them down like the dogs the are...

Mss

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