Revolution.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Donal Graeme
A representive, well run Democracy can stave off the need for any revolution. That is what we should seek for, the long term goal, not the immediate gain.

If any turnchats proceed like this again (not just the next one), the game will have a crippled effect and not progress at all. We need the drastic measures to be done NOW.

The long term goals are the same, it's just WHEN to do them i suppose, and NOW is the answer.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by UberKruX


If any turnchats proceed like this again (not just the next one), the game will have a crippled effect and not progress at all. We need the drastic measures to be done NOW.

The long term goals are the same, it's just WHEN to do them i suppose, and NOW is the answer.

You exagerate

A handful of spread out bad turnchats wont turn the demo-game to ruins. What will is forcing the people to go threw a rebuild of the entire system, something most had admitted that it is an aspect they dont totally love.

People complain when ammendments flood the board. People complain when there is too much turnchat news to read. If we dont have a total revolution, but ammend calmly in a civilized way, we will achieve the best result.

[notyoueither]

I proposed (or mentioned) this to Trip several times.

In the absence of a minister (due to any reason, sometimes they are not foreseeable) then the President holds the position. Responsibilty is held from above.

If the President is absent then the VP holds that responsibilty. We already have this. Hence the power of a ministry would go to the President and then the VP.

We could amend that to be in the absence of the minister or his explicitly appointed deputy.

Voila. punkbass's absence is no longer an issue. BTW, I believe he mentioned that absence in the campaign or election thread. I am unhappy that he has not been here, but I am not going to hang my wrath at the failings of our governement's structure on him.

Absences will happen. What we need is a simple, quick way of avoiding them causing a disturbance. What I have proposed does that.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by skywalker
Timeline gave misleading and often incorrect orders, the ministers took all eternity to debate things, and the citizens were largely ignored.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the turnchats are made to play the game. They are neither meant to be an entertainment for the citizens, nor a room for their debates. It is bad enough, that we constantly have to replace inactive people. It is normal, that these decisions are not met without discussions, especially when there are several good options. In the specific case Uber mentioned, it was his own fault, because he did not follow the discussion. OPD had thrown in a good plan for city planning (we have no city planner, sigh!), most people adopted it, and just UberKruX seemed to ignore it. Thus a debate.

Uber: Your poll is it, what it's immature. It is biased and not worth to get any vote, not even abstain.

[disorganizer]

The phoenatican representant will NOT give any comment on the issues, as we see this as internal apolytan issue not to be discussed by phoenatican representants.

I only state here i voted abstain to see the result directly on opening the thread, as the outcome would be interesting for us.

[Nubclear]

This is so sad. I'm sorry, but when everything starts ripping apart.....Did any of the other democracy games in either Poly or CFC do this? Why is it happening here?!

I'm beginning to highly doubt this demo game. It seems as if theirs arguement after arguement about almost everything. The game has almost boiled down to internal political manuvering and has become so boring and unfun that I almost see no reason to stay other than to try to amend things which probably cannot be amended.

I'm sorry, but I've put quite some time and effort into this demo game (although not as much as other people, I still have my fair share) and to see it all just rip apart because of some turnchat or some party or some poll just really annoys me. Should I continue to stay here knowing full well that something else is just going to happen, something else exactly like this?

Instead of calling for revolutions and acting immature about someone who was acting immature, lets try to pass RESOLUTIONS and REFORM in a PEACEFUL manner. If we all continue to insult each other the democracy game seems more like a political debate on the US Fox News Channel and it becomes so unfun.

If we try to change things in a way thats 1) immature, 2) unconsitituional and 3) just plain rude, we lose focus on what the demo game is about. Its about uniting apolytonians who like civ3 to play it with other apolytonians who like civ3. If theres something wrong, then polietly post about it. No need to start insulting each other. It really makes whoever is throwing it look just as bad (if not worse) then the person their insulting.

So in short, uber shut the **** up, everyone get along with each other, and lets work together to make this demo game fun again. This certainly isnt fun. Writing this post isnt fun. Having to write the post isnt fun. So just STOP flinging mud and insults. Please. I'm sick and tired of it and I'm sure a lot of other people are as well.

Sorry if I sounded a little.....frustrated.

Tassadar

[Timeline]

These pretty much echo my thoughts.....

I am sick of the fighitng. I don't mind healthy debate, but these attacks are really draining the fun out of it for me. Almost makes me glad I will not be around as much , sad, I know, but true.

[Kramerman]

Let the court decide! Or at least let the court do something. I am sure they can be useful somehow in this situation, cant they? Provide order at least, or allow the sides to debate their positions in an orderly fashion.

[notyoueither]

Oh yes! We can rule the Revolution to be out of order. That'll work.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Oh yes! We can rule the Revolution to be out of order. That'll work.

no
Uber is somewhat cooperative. I am sure he would mind going onto a judicial thread with the other side (i guess Ninot) and argue in a rhetorical way, not a Neanderthalic way. Though what can I say. At the first mention of revolution I was shouting for blood. As a joke of course...

[Mr. President]

It will work. Until we storm the courthouse and kick your butts for not supporting our revolution.

[MrWhereItsAt]

For God's sake if you disagree with this thread that much let's now ignore it and get on with other things.

[notyoueither]

The interesting bit is how many people agree with it.

[Guardian]

I abstained. I haven't been around all that much lately, and so I have nothing to say about either of this, except that yes, this is probably the most immature thread & poll I have seen so far.

Oh, and by the way...

/me coughs delicately and points to the bottom line of his signature...

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
For God's sake if you disagree with this thread that much let's now ignore it and get on with other things.

I can dig it.