Revolution.

[Trevman]

For one thing, I believe the reason yes is winning is because the "no" option is so biased. Hmm, maybe a problem for the court.

But anyways, I believe the problem is not with Timeline, Ninot, and crew, but with the absent ministers. Our loyal ministers have to do the job of several others in addition to their's. In result, there is no clear consensus on what to do because no one has authority over it. So naturally 4 other ministers assume authority and debate forever on it. Notice how quickly the research debate was conclueded when Apocalypse finally showed up. What's tearing this game apart is the absent ministers who don't seem to care about this game or aren't responsible enough to not run when they will not be able to fulfill their duties.

And part of this can be blamed on you, yes you Uberkrux, for instead of hammering out a solution, you just fan the flames with an equally childish idea of revolution. And to think that I thought you were a levelheaded guy, but it just turns out that you are as vicious and aggressive as you are rumured to be.

What we need is ministers who will responsibly fulfill their duties andcan get along and find solutions instead of grabbing at eachother's throats. Maybe an amendment is in order to delegate duties when ministers don't show up for turnchats.

[Kuciwalker]

What bias?

Leaving sarcasm out of it, though, I think it's rather demeaning of us to imply that any of us would be swayed by the choice. Don't you trust people to make their own evaluation of things?

[notyoueither]

skywalker, less than 50% are voting yes as of now.

What are you going to do if that trend continues? Are you going to attempt to force the Revolution of 20 people on 25 (or 270)?

At any rate, I believe Uber has already met his real objective. I am guessing that as being to speed fumdamental change in the way the game is being played. Kudos for that.

[Kuciwalker]

Yes may not have 50%, but it's still winning.

[Trevman]

Originally posted by skywalker
What bias?

Leaving sarcasm out of it, though, I think it's rather demeaning of us to imply that any of us would be swayed by the choice. Don't you trust people to make their own evaluation of things?

There was only about a dozen of us at that turnchat. I doubt that the rest of the citizenry can make a fair evalutation based on what Uberkrux has said.

[Ninot]

Originally posted by skywalker
Yes may not have 50%, but it's still winning.

its not a majority tho.

if less than half of the voters dont want what is proposed, are you going to use your minority to impose it?

[Robber Baron]

Okay, this one is really absurd:

Originally posted by skywalker
This isn't an amendment. This is a simple poll about GETTING RID OF the CoL. Therefore, the CoL has no power over it.

Oh, wait a minute, I think he was serious!

The code of laws "has no power" over the question of whether we should play by the code of laws? C'mon, tell me you were joking.

[Robber Baron]

Originally posted by skywalker
It's not an amendment. A revolt is not an amendment. It is a revolt.

It's not a revolt, it's an effort to hijack our game. Pure and simple.

[Ninot]

ya know... if this "revolt" is somehow succesful (cuz who knows maybe the new COL of the revolt states if yes gets 30% of the vote, it will succeed).... then we could just revolt again!

long live the screwy rebellion!

[GoodFella]

Two Words:

Holy Sh*t

[Kramerman]

This isn't an amendment. This is a simple poll about GETTING RID OF the CoL. Therefore, the CoL has no power over it.

This sucks. I was just joking around before. I didnt grasp the seriousness of this. I though the revolt was just a role playing the expression of the need of a major CoL amendment(s) or something. I didnt realize it was to completely throw out the CoL. perhaps I should read the posts before voting, eh? Anyhow, any problems experienced I am sure can be resolved through the CoL and by simply amending it. By overturning it we would be in anarchy - the game at a standstill. And though I enjoy the role paying aspect of the demo game, the game playing aspect IS the main part. If the game playing is halted for an extended amount of time, having an attentin span of about 2 minutes, as i do, I will probably move on to something else.

I am not threatening to leave or anything, just stating the fact that it is my nature, as it is many peoples, that when I get bored with something I find something new to entertain myself. So this little revolution may drive some of the already fledgling active population of the demo game away elsewhere. This would be its ruin

On the other hand we could just try to amend the CoL with the neccessary changes, like city governors or whatever. We could continue to play the game through this process, where we couldn't if we threw out the CoL completely. That is my 2 cents.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by UberKruX


exactly. endless debates on issues that probably wont be amended anyway. upheaval is the only way. and it saves a lot of time.

Saves a lot of time. Loses quite a few citizens. And kills out all the fun.

Really, a good compromise... *Goes back to AC Democracy Game*

[Guardian]

Originally posted by skywalker
Yes may not have 50%, but it's still winning.

Okay... so, if YOU feel like it, it doesn't even need to be a majority vote, eh?

Originally posted by Ninot
ya know... if this "revolt" is somehow succesful (cuz who knows maybe the new COL of the revolt states if yes gets 30% of the vote, it will succeed).... then we could just revolt again!

long live the screwy rebellion!

There won't be any point in making any new COL at all, because anyone who doesn't like some thing or another can simply call a "revolt" and throw it out again - and they don't even need to be in majority to do it!

[Kramerman]

[not serious mode]
The best way to solve this 'revolution', is the way our ancestors solved revolutions, through BLOOD! and STEEL! (or iron or whatever the hell hard metal we have).

Loyalists, to your arms! We must defend the Empire from the internal Coup de 'Eta (SP?), led by the infamous Supreme Military Commander UberKrux. We will succeed, for the Banana is on our side. He came to me in a vision. We must defend our nation to the bitter end!!!
[/ not serious mode]

Too bad we all live on different corners of the earth...

[mtgillespie]

The crux of this matter is that a few people don't like the way things are being done, but they are too lazy, or too impatient, or too full of their own importance, to get things changed the right way. What this poll says is "i don't like the way things are done, so do it all my way". No debate, no consenus, no thought for how anyone else wants things done, or all the work that has been put in by others on our current CoL. Is it perfect? No, because as in all areas of life, things change, and we can't forsee all future situations. Is it better than starting over? Without a doubt. It's not set in stone, you can attempt to change what you don't like. Have you considered the consequences of throwing out the CoL. Aside from the fact that if this "revolution" is successful, what will stop the next one, what do you think will happen once we have no rules. Do you think you can propose a new set, and everyone will say OK, that's fine, thanks for that? Do you remember the work that went into that document? What makes you think it will be so simple this time? How many turns do you think will get played while all this is being sorted out?

All i can add is that if this is successful, we will have no right to call this the deomcracy game any more, and probably not enough citizens to form a government.