America isn't old enough to be in Civ3

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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Nope. I just have come to the conclusion that despite whatever "morals" I make up for myself, I think I would be capable of mass murder if sufficiently motivated (don't worry; personal gain probably wouldn't be part of it), and I think this might class me as a sociopath. Oh well.

See you in your sleep, GP...

p.s.: I also think that I'd make a damn fine dictator, and that worries me sometimes.

I think my number 6 idea was cute...

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Originally posted by oriel94
(lots of good stuff)

I like your style. I went up and down the East Coast of Australia while in the USN. It's a fun country. The people seem like British Texans or something. Sydney is a great town. The only "real city". (Admittedly I haven't been to Melbourne.)

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Originally posted by MacTBone
Wheee, I'm taking a linguistics course and I get to use what I've learned!

I. Proto-Indo-European

A. Germanic

1. German
2. English
3. Dutch
4. Danish
5. Swedish
6. Norwegian
7. etc.

B. Celtic

1. Gaelic
2. Irish
3. Welsh
4. etc.

C. Italic (Latin)

1. Italian
2. Spanish
3. French
4. Portugese
5. Romanion
6. etc.

D. Hellenic (Ancient Greek)

1. Greek (They're silly aren't they )

E. Balto-Slavic

1. Baltic

a. Latvian
b. Lithunanian

2. Slavic

a. Russian
b. Polish
c. Czech
d. Bulgarian
e. etc.

F. Indo-Iranian

1. Indic (Sanskrit)

a. Hindi
b. Bengali

2. Iranian

a. Persian

There you go, we should have these 6 civs plus a Chinese, South American tribe and North American tribe civ and we're done
Lot's o' fun!

I think the problem we're having is that right now we don't classify divisions with civilization, we use the term country. That's where everyone's stumbling. We have in our mind that a civ must be old, very old. That's not always the case. From now on I will use the word civ instead of country because it will help you understand.
The American civ is the most widely diverse civ ever, in fact it's diversity is the REASON it can be considered a civ. Consider that the American civ has incorporated the ideas and languages of multiple civs, added a few unique elements then called it their own. Much like the English, Romans, and any other Empire that traded heavily with various lands or had multiple peoples call it home.

BTW, I have my posts per page at 100, so there is no page seven for me, but if you look at page one or so, I posted there

What are the Finns? Basques? Arabs?

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Originally posted by Arent

6)Me I'm studying international physics in Leipzig. Am I now more intelligent than you? You writing a political book? No, two?? Everyone please read his previous posts (page 7)

Arent

1. That you would so quickly want to show your intellectual d*ck size , shows more about you than others. (Oriel was demonstrating relevant study in the area of our discussion. No reason to think you need to demonstrate your IQ to us...)

2. Oriel was much more temperate, balanced and interesting in his posts than you.

3. Eagerly waiting screed reply...but feel free to surprise me with some depth...would make my day, little physicer...

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Originally posted by oriel94
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Oriel, you're cordially invited to grace the OT (Off Topic Forum) with your prescence. (This link will only work for oriel.)

[Drake Tungsten]

What the hell is international physics? Are the laws of nature different depending on which country you are in?

[Arent]

Sorry GP, I just can't stand jingoism.
Can get a little rough about it.
Democracy in Usa is dying cause of it.

Arent

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
What the hell is international physics? Are the laws of nature different depending on which country you are in?

Well, if you think about it they are. In Europe the speed of light is 3 x 10 ⁸ m s^-1. In the US its 187,500 miles per second.

[Drake Tungsten]

I stand corrected.

[dexters]

Originally posted by Arent
Sorry GP, I just can't stand jingoism.
Can get a little rough about it.
Democracy in Usa is dying cause of it.

Arent

Nah. Europe has far more draconian measures that intrude on people's daily lives, including mandatory DNA sampling in England. Sure, countries like the Netherlands can afford to be free and be totally democratic, but they also get a freeride on defense and their population is so small they can probably be a communist state and do just fine. Small populations are easy to control you know.

As a large scale democracy, the United States is very much alive. Although I would argue that it is a Republican Democracy, and not a parliamentary one. There is a significant difference.

As for Jingoism, Americans can afford to be Jingoisitc because unlike those ungrateful nations who are getting a freeride on so many things, including defense, they do walk the walk, and not just talk the talk.

[dexters]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
I have ancesotors going back to 2b.c. from Germany

That would be after 100-odd generations, therefore so do a lot of people.

it can count itself as one of the most influencial nations to have ever existed.

At present, but in 100 or 1000 years time will it be seen as such. Even after 2000 years the Roman Empire is still remembered as a great empire, after 100 years the British Empire has similar accolades, but the Spanish are largely ignored despite being the world power for longer than the US has currently.

Well, the Spanish burned themselves out. They basically plundered the new world, and did not see the value of trade as the English/Americans did. I infact resent Spain's plundering of the new world, you rat bastards!

Even at their height, Spain's Armada could not defeat the British, and the Spanish Armada was what made it great in its global conquest. So it can be argued that Spanish power is simply an illusion, in the sense that even at its height, it was second to the British.

Also, historians might consider the Americans to be part of the British heritage. This means when they write about the rise of the British power, it will include the shifting of power to the United States, but it will be treated as a phase in the historical records, and not a separate event. One can say the British is to the Americans as the Greeks were to the Romans.

[Dauphin]

. So it can be argued that Spanish power is simply an illusion, in the sense that even at its height, it was second to the British

Not really. Just because they lost that battle did not mean the British were more powerful. The newly declared US beat the English in the war of independence, but this does not mean the English were second to the US at that point. Just a fateful victory, a case of the underdog winning that time around.

including mandatory DNA sampling in England

Where did you get that from. In police investigations its still voluntary, and in the public sector (e.g health insurance) forget it, its not permitted even if it helps your cause. (Even if it weren't its no more draconian than compulsary fingerprint taking)

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Originally posted by Arent
Sorry GP, I just can't stand jingoism.
Can get a little rough about it.
Democracy in Usa is dying cause of it.

Arent

This is the land of the free and the brave. The bastion of freedom. The good guys who stood up to the Soviets. It hasn't been that long that you had a Kaiser, no?

[Sun Zi 36]

Yes, Europe had not persistently had democratic governments like USA but that only reveals the surface. The practice of mob rule and execution without trial - lynching - in USA did not end until 1968. Racial riots were not uncommon even in the late 1980s such as the confrontation in Forsyth County, Georgia, in 1987. I m not trying to undermine American democracy or freedom, only want to provide a less one-sided view.

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GP

Originally posted by GP
This is the land of the free and the brave. The bastion of freedom. The good guys who stood up to the Soviets

It is also the land of Irangate, Vietnam and the KKK.

I don't want to offend any Americans by saying this, since I know they did some good things as well. But it isn't just a country of 'good guys'.