record attempt(yes I am nuts:D )

[Julius Brenzaida]

GP, if instead of ranting you'd been playing, you should be the record holder by now. Maybe that Shade didn't do anything by the Book, or at least not your Book, but I think his attempt was brave and interesting.
Many good topics were adressed in this thread

[rah]

Originally posted by Straybow
About not killing the AIs, they often choose lousy city locations.

How true. But with time and a lot of engineers, it really doesn't matter. But bigger concern is time and resources. The longer you keep them around the more TIME it takes to destroy them. You have to spend way too much time micromanaging cities. Having to worry about what the ai is doing just adds to it. And once you've set up the AI zoo city properly surrounded, you can go ahead and disband MOST of your units in areas that don't have any free areas where barbs will form.

The faster you get your cities down also eliminates a little of the micro-management. You can allow them to build some of the improvements they will need without rush building them.

The biggest opponents in a record game are time and boredom. Your focus should be against these opponents as quickly as possible.

RAH

XIN, good point on the overlap, I try to avoid all overlap for that reason.

Straybow, caravans can generate the science you need in Fundy, (right up to the point where the trade bonuses fall off), By then the AI should already have been Zooified. Then there's no reason not to be in Democracy, since there will be no reason to have any troops out and moving around, or having excessive support problems. A few fighters spread around will take care of any approaching barb ships. But I like to get into demo as soon as possible. I'll use communism for the period I'm finishing off the AI.

[Xin Yu]

Straybow, fundi is fine except that you don't have the WLTKD growth and you have to keep cities celebrate in order to get the same bonus for each trade. If the cities don't celebrate they'll have only 1 trade per grass square instead of 3.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Julius Brenzaida
GP, if instead of ranting you'd been playing, you should be the record holder by now. Maybe that Shade didn't do anything by the Book, or at least not your Book, but I think his attempt was brave and interesting.
Many good topics were adressed in this thread

Stop trying to defend those that I am bullying. He annoys me.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Xin Yu
Ming: Overlapped cities will reduce happy faces thus reduce your score. Only workers can be made happy.

I understand... However, if somebody is just trying to beat the record (20 - 25K range), and not go for the max possible score, it doesn't make that much of a difference.

[Straybow]

Xin: Yeah, I forgot that Superhwy is +50% and not +1. Big difference in end effect. You end up needing just as much lux to celebrate as Dem needs to fix unhappies and angries, while 9g/city from Temples, Cathedrals via Mike's, and Coliseums doesn't help that much.

rah: Bad locations like radii with several water tiles but none touching the city square (thus no Harbor allowed), or one tile away from the specials sweet spot, etc. The player knows that the city always gets a free shield and will settle an empty grass in preference to shield grass given the choice. Of course the AI will never start a mine before settling a hill tile.

[rah]

Yeah, too much ocean without being on it, forgot about that one. One square away from a special, that's another city, unless the AI crammed them in. But if they do that, I'll dismantle a city or two.

RAH

[Straybow]

O God, OGod, OGodOGodOGod… this must be what it's like going nuts… I'm hearing voices saying, "It can't be so bad. Go ahead, give it a try."

[rah]

Originally posted by Straybow
O God, OGod, OGodOGodOGod… this must be what it's like going nuts… I'm hearing voices saying, "It can't be so bad. Go ahead, give it a try."

Why not? Just be sure you post about it around here so GP can make fun of you......errr, I mean make recommendations.

RAH

What good have the little voices ever influenced in History?

[Xin Yu]

Straybow, both democracy and fundi needs half of the citizens happy to maintain content/happy status for a city, so the costs are the same. Fundi has some cash from temples, etc. but that's minor. The benifit of fundi is mostly due to the low cost for rushing caravans (you can build fanatics under fundi, compare to starting form a 30 shield unit, you save 65 golds per one-turn rush; compare to starting from a 40 shield improvement, you save 40 golds per one-turn rush). So unless you do not have enough improvements to make your citizens happy or you want to grow your cities using WLTKD, fundi is better than dem.

[Straybow]

If only workers can be happy, how can you make a city over 40 celebrate? That would be the killer drawback for Fundies.

[shade]

Originally posted by Straybow
If only workers can be happy, how can you make a city over 40 celebrate? That would be the killer drawback for Fundies.

Not...
but by then you will most of the time already be in negative foodproduction...
(what would be max? 21x4 + 4x2 =92...this is 17 farm-grasland+4 oasis(6 food when farmed???)...this would give you size 46...(and barely production))

PS listen to the little voices in you head...

Shade,radiating over 4887.5 Bequerel ...

[Xin Yu]

Straybow, you are right. But you can have some cities wait at size 36 or so for a while, then change to dem and use food caravans to grow them simultaneously.

[War4ever]

you are insane....how long is each turn taking at this point if you don't mind me asking?

[shade]

Originally posted by War4ever
you are insane....how long is each turn taking at this point if you don't mind me asking?

I guess something from 1 to 2 h...This really is getting beter, I get through the city-managing in something like 25 min. (while 10 turns ago this was >45min at high speed decisionmaking, it takes about 1min when holding the enter-key down ...)...

Shade