No Science Succession: Revenge of the Space Luddites

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I'd post a poll, except that this isn't a democracy game

OK... perhaps we should each state a governmental preference and reasons for it.

I think there are SG(2), BM, Hydey and STYOM for Republic so far...

I think SG[1] mentioned fundy or commie..
obiwan definitely is for fundy...

Where does everyone else stand and why? This isn't a simple show of hands... I favour Republic, but if someone can show me a way to get to something else quickly, or show me that the other choice will definitely pay off in the long term, I might change my mind.

I favour Republic because:
- we can get it sooner than anything else. We need out of Despotism.
- Republic trade bonuses will make trading more worthwhile, sooner. Remember, the goal is AC.
- WLTCD allows fast city growth - especially since luxuries will be turned up (it's luxuries or taxes only).
- we'll have lots of base taxes due to science being at 0, for rushbuilding caravans/freight.
- waste/corruption can be reduced with courthouses (again, we should have cash to buy them).

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Re: Re: Play list updated...

1. obiwan18
2. SG(2)
3. Hydey
4. SCG
5. STYOM
6. SG[1]
7. Bloody Monk
8. Jrabbit
9. La Fayette
10. Vlad Antlerkov

Several cities are down now - since there are a lot of us, let's drop to 12 turns.

[Bloody Monk]

@STYOM,

Actually, your list of reasons makes Republic seem too easy.

While I favor Republic, I will try anything. It's only a question of time, I think, but, getting there is all the fun. A late game Democracy under these conditions might be very hard to defend unless we had a passle of NON units, Bach's, and or, Women's sufferage.

You are correct, this is not a Democracy Game. Why don't you just dictate the decision?? It's your baby, so to speak.

Monk

[DrSpike]

Republic all the way.......out with the damn barbarians.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I didn't dictate the decision because I wanted to leave it open to debate. I don't honestly know that Republic is the best way, and someone else might have more experience in the area I mean, with a high luxury rate, Monarchy might even have been an option. Celebrate, collect arrows like a Republic does, no out-of-city unit problems. Then again, maybe not (corruption, no WLTPD growth)...

It'd be great if we all agreed on one course of action. If we can't agree, I guess it'll come down to a show of hands... or someone will have to pull the trigger and revolt, risking the wrath of the Institute

[SCG]

I'm certainly going to aim for republic, although looks like its going to be a ways off as yet. have the game and looking over it - probably won't finish tonight - aiming for Friday night atm

[Scouse Gits]

Originally posted by obiwan18
My choices would be Demo/Fundy rather than Republic or Communism.

obiwan 18 you are quite right. Fundy would be better than Commie. I am forgetting the 0% rule
Commie in this game would be the very Dark Side.

Democracy would be great and avoids the need for 8 caravans to build SoL, but to reach it we need around 12 techs. As Hydey collected Alphabet and Code of Laws from the Zulus I think Republic is only 3 advances away. (Writing/Literacy/Republic)

Apart from this - the major reservation about Democracy is the "double red" unhappiness caused by each boat out of port until Magnetism allows galleons. This can be obviated by Shake's (homing all the ships there) but further delays the chains of vessels needed to make an impact upon overseas trade and our research.

Fundy would make us happy and rich but would not make us grow - except by military conquest. The temptation would be to seize a fat AI empire to gain a greater population. This is a legitimate tactic, except we need all the fat AI empires under foreign flags to maximise trade/science.

Republic is around the corner! A compact empire (lower corruption) of a dozen cities growing to 8 then 12+ still has my vote!

Next Succession Game we could run on similar lines to this one, except that after reaching the key advances like Republic and Democracy those who wish to play in the goverment of their choice split away and attempt to beat the other group(s)

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SG(2)

[Hydey]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Next Succession Game we could run on similar lines to this one, except that after reaching the key advances like Republic and Democracy those who wish to play in the goverment of their choice split away and attempt to beat the other group(s)

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SG(2)

good idea, I like it

[Scouse Gits]

When to Revolt?

A damn hard question ...

IMHO

Monarchy perfectly feasible - available earlyish - poor man's Fundy - rather routine game
Republic almost certainly the best bet for the earliest landing - boring as hell
Democracy more challenging, but might actually beat Republic to the Stars
Fundamentalism a massive fight back from the bottom of the tree to ultimate domination and conquest AC (woops) - great fun
Communism same as Fundy without money - a real challenge

As to my vote - what the h*ll do you expect a RAR to say? Fundy of course

SG[1]

[-Jrabbit]

Perfectionist Republic with SSC and Shakespeare

[Ben Kenobi]

That's not too bad.

3 so far for Fundy:

Git [1], Git(2), and myself. What about Hydey? Do you favour a Fundy government?

good idea, I like it

as do I.

If we lose the vote, we can see how we do against the perfectionists.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Republic is around the corner! A compact empire (lower corruption) of a dozen cities growing to 8 then 12+ still has my vote!
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SG(2)

@obiwan - Are you sure you're not actually rooting for Communism... I mean, the way you count votes...

[-Jrabbit]

nice catch, STYOM

[Ben Kenobi]

Darn Gits.

Hard enough keeping track of who's who.

We should have a rule, only one vote per login.

Besides this ain't no Demo game. SG(2) has already played his turn.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Alright... as usual, carefully reasoned argument and rational discussion fails miserably in an attempt to resolve a problem.

I know what's going to happen if we learn Republic in my turns...


... and that's what succession games are all about, isn't it?