No Science Succession: Revenge of the Space Luddites

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Well, in homage to the SGs' seriously tricky game, I present my latest concoction, a gauntlet thrown down to the veterans of the Academy .

Having played several starts, I can definitively say that it COULD be winnable

Parameters:
-MGE, large map, deity/raging/7 civs

Special conditions:
-Science setting must be kept at 0%.
-Only one government change allowed. The change can be to any government. Of course, an early government change might handicap us later on.

Victory condition: Alpha Centauri

I haven't played any turns because I did have to check the map to ensure there were AIs within contact range - so I'll jump in after a few others have played.

Post below if you want 'in'

1. Hydey
2. SG(2)
3. obiwan18
4. SCG
5. STYOM
6. SG[1]
7. Bloody Monk
8. Jrabbit
9. La Fayette
10. (or more, this is an AC game).

Play 20 turns, for now.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

And, the save file:

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

and a .zip file for rabbit people:

(forgot to mention - we begin with Ceremonial Burial as a starting tech. Either a leg up to Monarchy... or a chance to build Temples. Or both. )

[SCG]

For a government change, republic might be a choice - not too far past monarchy techwise, but allows for the major trade payoffs along with less corruption and larger # of base cities. if we want to try and induce the AI to democracy, we could get the SOL and choose Fundy or Communism. The main problem with that is that Democracy is a long ways off and if we keep science at 0, as will it be with the AI (what sort of techs did the AI have in the no science sticky game before 1500 AD?)

As for playing, I'm still thinking about it - maybe somewhere in the middle of the order? I can just see myself being up in 3 Sxn games and being a minister in the Demo Game all at the same time

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I tend to agree. Democracy - and thereby Communism/Fundy via SoL - seems a long, long way away. The seriously tricky game suggests that we could have a hard time in Despo, and it will be even slower work, getting to Demo, with no science.

On the plus side, the AI's haven't been 'enhanced' in this game. They might even trade with us

[Hydey]

count Hydey in please

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Consider yourself counted in

[Scouse Gits]

SGs were discussing this one earlier. A really nasty player would revolt at 3850BC and choose Despotism. Well that's the goverment change over (SG[1] suggested Anarchy but then he's a RAR )

Go on I'm in ... thinks ... Republic is probably the best way to tackle this one ... science @ 0% those freights had better pull their weight.

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SG(2)

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Play list updated...

Yes, I had thought of the revolt-to-anarchy-and-choose-despotism-again trick

It would make sense to come to some sort of consensus on the desired government... rather than the player who discovers a new government tech simply changing governments unilaterally.

Of course... there would be endless fun to be had constructively criticizing the offender

[Ben Kenobi]

Count me in Scuse Gits.

Why not try for the despotism-Fundy switch?

All we will need is Literacy, and the Great Library.

We could also try to invade and steal techs from the AI to help us get to Democracy.

Then we could pull off the SoL trick to get a Fundy government, and then run a 'soft' fundy like in the 'Hard Times' game.

Republic is plagued with corruption.

Democracy is too fragile and not conductive from a Despotism foundation.

[Scouse Gits]

... instead of the Institute we could have Government House and pile scorn on the unlucky resident.

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SG(2)

[SCG]

ok, I think i'm far enough down the list to say i'm in now

Great Library may help out, although MPE probably would work better, since we can more easily dictate what the AI researches with it.

Also, i figure having an early size 5 city and lots of exploration units will make a big difference It looks like our continent gerrymanders all over the place and reaches the south pole (followed the continent #13), so we may be able to get quite a few techs just in basic exploration. With enough huts, demo may be within reach for the SOL

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Play list updated. Hydey has the ball, and it seems we're already in disagreement as to which government to go for...

Originally posted by obiwan18
Count me in Scuse Gits.

Yes, can I play too

Republic has a lot of corruption, yes, but it's the trade bonuses we want, and we can get them a lot sooner in Republic than in Demo/Fundy/Commie - all of which I feel would be better choices were they available sooner. One of the Sticky Mouse games had a nice Republican trade empire running, with an AC win at the end - that seems like a worthwhile plan to me.

Plus, to get the GL, we need to get Literacy (probably an AI will get it first)... then we need to get Demo and build SoL... doing all of this in Despotism

[Ben Kenobi]

Sorry STYOM.

Republic's okay, but we'll be restricted in size. Remember we get no science, so the smaller the empire, the harder it will be to advance.

Literacy is a required tech for Republic. IF we go the republic route, we will still need to research literacy under a no-science despotism.



At least in the other succession game we get science even in a despotism.



It looks like we'll need GL or MPE to advance. We can always take them by force.

[Scouse Gits]

After having my fingers seriously burned in the 'Early Landing' game - i am rather loath to try another AC game, but what the hell - I'm in (if you'll have me). For my money it has to be Fundy or Commie - with No Science we MUST have an Empire - and we can't run a serious empire in Republic - the corruption would be insane.

* suggestion *
another game of two halves - a mad Despotic Sleaze supported by the Gardens - playing like RARs only allowing the AI to survive in zoos
Followed by High Priest or Comrade to the Stars

SG[1]