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Point out a windows server site that recieves the same or more load without crashing.
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Microsoft.comOriginally posted by geeslaka
Point out a windows server site that recieves the same or more load without crashing.
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More seriously, AnandTech.com is under significantly more load than Apolyton and runs Windows 2000 and IIS 5.0."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I've never heard that. It doesn't make sense that an OS that is based on a TCP/IP driven operating system would have an unstable stack. Do you have documentation that supports that. I will give you kudos for the BSD nod though; that must have hurt.Comment
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1) I've always loved BSDs, best damned server OS you can get IMO
2) In what world is Linux a "TCP/IP driven Operating System"?
3) No one said it was unstable, just not as robust and fine-tuned under high loads as the Unix, BSD, and NT counterparts."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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10!Well, we are getting about 70 new ones a day. And at least 10 of those aren't DLs even.
AH must be slacking off or his workload increasing.
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Does anyone know if a TCP/IP based operating system even exists? That'd be pretty funky, system calls and messages by TCP packets.
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hi ,Originally posted by Asher
Your "any server would crash when subjected to the load Settler II recieves" comment is beyond ridiculous...
Linux's TCP/IP stack isn't very robust, the websites that use Linux for hosting use clusters so each individual stack doesn't get worked too hard. A real OS, like a BSD or NT, would handle it far more elegantly.
well Asher , your comment that its linux fault is also a bit rediculous , ........
why dont you try to convince the owners to change it , good luck , .......
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Originally posted by Asher
Does anyone know if a TCP/IP based operating system even exists? That'd be pretty funky, system calls and messages by TCP packets.
hi ,
how many do you want , .......
skynet is just one of them , ......
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Based and driven are too different things. Maybe I should have specified networking protocols. Windows was built around NetBEUI, Novell around IPX/SPX, Unix around TCP/IP. Since Linux is a derivative of Unix I extrapolated that Linux, too, was built around TCP/IP as a communication protocol. I'll be more than happy to admit you're right about the linux TCP/IP being less robust the 'real OSs' if you can link me some documentation on it but until then I'll mark it down as more Microsoft propaganda.Does anyone know if a TCP/IP based operating system even exists? That'd be pretty funky, system calls and messages by TCP packets.Comment
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Couldnt we use a mirror system for everything but the forum and let that run on settlerII?Comment
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Then you still run into the cost and administration problems. I think the ideal solution would keep to a single server with the same software. If we could add horsepower to the box or change the configuration of the software to better handle the load I think it would gain acceptance.Comment
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Eh? Not modern Windows. NetBEUI doesn't even ship enabled anymore.Originally posted by Harry Seldon
Based and driven are too different things. Maybe I should have specified networking protocols. Windows was built around NetBEUI
Linux is not a derivative of Unix, and I still have no idea how you "base" an OS around a protocol...you support them.Since Linux is a derivative of Unix I extrapolated that Linux, too, was built around TCP/IP as a communication protocol.
Feel free to discount it if you will, but why don't you think about it for a bit:I'll be more than happy to admit you're right about the linux TCP/IP being less robust the 'real OSs' if you can link me some documentation on it but until then I'll mark it down as more Microsoft propaganda.
BSD has been around for how long, now? Linux has been around for how long?
BSD was designed for large server systems, Linux was designed for small, cheap server systems.
Windows supports both BSD's sockets and its own NTSockets, which are based on BSD's sockets.
Linux's simply isn't as mature, or as scalable, as BSD's/Window's/Unix's. It's the newkid and it's still trying to get there.
As for sources on this, well, that's kinda tricky. It stands to logic that Linux's isn't as good as an OS that's much more mature and designed for much larger systems, but I found a few links where people talk about Linux's stack:
by default freebsd tcp window size is 16k while linux is 64k. i tweak it in
order to have identical values and still my benchmark results that freebsd
tcp/ip stack is faster than linux. furthermore, it depends on what kind of
link do you have to test it, either LAN or WAN. these two links have
different behavior and i found out that freebsd tcp/ip stack is easily
configurable on the fly to those kind of link for maximum performance
compare to linux you have to alter its source code (eg. how do you disable
delay acknowledgement in linux?).. aside from that, many of the linux
community got annoyed with alan cox because he is always playing with the
tcp/ip stack code. in short, tcp/ip stack of linux is his toyland compare to
freebsd tcp/ip stack comes from the research group of berkeley. i remember
the time with linux kernel 2.2.x (somewhere in there) that its tcp/ip stack
really sucks. its too painfully slow until they release a new kernel which
improve the performance.
The one that pisses me off most frequently is that it is literally
impossible to return an RST packet in any way other than letting
the packet fall through to the kernel's TCP/IP stack. If you don't
return an RST, nmap can see the port's firewalled. If you do return
an RST, nmap just thinks the port's closed. But if you return an
RST by letting it through to the OS, you leave yourself open to OS
fingerprinting (due to quirks in the Linux TCP/IP stack) and, even
scarier, vulnerabilities in the Linux TCP/IP stack (say, like this
one:
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HS: I was talking about letting members serve as a mirror for downloads and other parts of the site.
Let people set their region in their profile and direct them to the closest mirror.
I'm sure there are quite a few people out there that have some extra serverspace.Comment
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