Sparta-Angels relations

[Kassiopeia]

I'm giving you a carte blanche, I'm going to start working on The Phalanx now. Both of the messages seem good to me, but hey, you're the (other) Colonel.

Btw, is the construction of the CDF something I can mention in The Phalanx?

[Kassiopeia]

From this turn on, we will be in war with the Gaians then, no? And Snoddasmannen will be Chief of Gaian Affairs?

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
Btw, is the construction of the CDF something I can mention in The Phalanx?

Scream it off the roofs!

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
From this turn on, we will be in war with the Gaians then, no? And Snoddasmannen will be Chief of Gaian Affairs?

Yep.

Here's a short transmission from Captain Zeiter, commander of R-112, to the Command Nexus:

"Operation Pesticide succesful. I repeat: Operation Pesticide succesful. We toasted the whole Gaian defense army with a few quick blows. Minutes after our attack, hundreds of Hive soldiers could be seen running through the narrows that the Gaians had defended succesfully for so many years. One can only guess what the future will hold for Gaia..."

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
Btw, is the construction of the CDF something I can mention in The Phalanx?

Of course it is. We are building it for that very reason - to piss some people off.

Yes, to both questions concerning the Gaians.

[Kassiopeia]

Ah, just making sure we're actually building it now, on this turn.

[Snoddasmannen]

Originally posted by Maniac
GeoModder posted this topic in our embassy:

Does the Spartans plan on trading Intellectual Integrity with their ally Zakharov? Or even Lal?

I think it's kind of silly of them to attach additional condition to a trade we agreed on such a very long time ago. We should be able to play this in our favour. If they wanted a trade embargo on this tech, they should have explicitly told us so. Why should they be allowed to change contracts at will?

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Snoddasmannen
I think it's kind of silly of them to attach additional condition to a trade we agreed on such a very long time ago. We should be able to play this in our favour. If they wanted a trade embargo on this tech, they should have explicitly told us so. Why should they be allowed to change contracts at will?

I haven't yet posted the message below in the Angel forum, so if we want we can still change it. In the turn I have given IntInt to Zak, but not (yet?) to Lal, but we can still can before sending it on. Do we want to offend the Angels though. As far as I'm concerned, we can give anything we want to our submissive ally Zakharov - it's not the Angels' business. But Lal is something else... After all, if they wanted to the Angels could have traded Lal IntInt in their turn already instead of sticking to a temporary embargo, and then who knows Morgan could have stolen it from them with that Gator.

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"Yeah, we had already started wondering about that as well, as nothing had been mentioned on that. We arrived at the conclusion not to trade your tech to the Peacekeepers. We did transmit Intellectual Integrity to the University though, as they are our submissive ally and thus we share a mutual credit reserve (their cash sits in our central bank). For you this internal Sparta-University exchange doesn't matter, as other factions aren't allowed anyway to conduct any diplomacy with the University Protectorate unless with Spartan supervision and permission."

[Maniac]

GeoModder replied this as reaction to the Doc:Ini query:

Col. Maniac,

It is for the Spartan fear of the spreading of privileged technology that we asked to buy a hull, not the technology itself. If we intended to distribute this hull, we would need to go to great lengths before any other faction would have the ability to construct cruisers as well.

Also, may we inquire what other technologies you have available for trading? It is hard to ask for specific ones if nothing is known. I suppose Doctrine: Air Power and Synthetic Fossil Fuels are two you already have, but for the rest...

Regards,
IT GeoModder

Could we give them our full list of techs they don't have? Since they're pacted to the Peacekeepers, normally they should be able to see those anyway.

Oh yeah, as the turn has been forwarded, I'll post the message about IntInt in the post above.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Maniac
Could we give them our full list of techs they don't have? Since they're pacted to the Peacekeepers, normally they should be able to see those anyway.

We can certainly gain goodwill by sending a list of the techs we have that they don't have (pergaps a screenie of our dioplo box with them on offer - maybe post that in the embassy)

Could it be that GeoModder, Mart, etc don't know of the "faction profile-hit pactmate's logo-reveal list of bases and techs" procedure??

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Googlie
We can certainly gain goodwill by sending a list of the techs we have that they don't have (pergaps a screenie of our dioplo box with them on offer - maybe post that in the embassy)

GeoModder was here tonight. We talked a bit about the ACDG and apparently the Angels were just about to sign an economic pact with the Gaians. Should we offer a pact ourselves to keep the Angels out of the Axis of Weasels? They'd gain infiltrator info on us then though...

Oh yeah, Geo says you can't frame a human faction. And Yang doesn't want to talk to the Angels. So I don't see a way to create war between Yang and Morgan and prevent them from getting D:AP from him, except for hoping that Yang doesn't want to talk to Morgan either.

I sent this little PM btw back to Geo, just to give an official reply to the Angels about that probe team, before we forget about it.

"We treat University territory as Spartan territory, and also officially apply the Modo Doctrine to University bases.

Also, as noted in our reply regarding Intellectual Integrity, since the University has submitted to us, handing over their sovereignity to the Federation, we disapprove of all diplomatic deals between the University and other factions unless under Spartan supervision and permission. "

[Maniac]

No one has discussed the Angels' latest messages, and I assume it's important to send something fast, so I replied these:

In reply to their tech query:

The techs we have for offer are:

Nonlinear Mathematics (C2)
Polymorphic Software (D2)
Doctrine: Initiative (E4)
Synthetic Fossil Fuels (E4)
Doctrine: Air Power (E5)
Secrets of the Human Brain (D2)

Googlie prepared a nice screenie showing them all, but unfortunately I don't know how to attach images here.

With the turn forwarded, activity has plumetted in the Spartan Federation. So things would probably go faster if the Angels told what you have for offer in return for these techs. (Unless of course activity is low at your side as well)

In reply to their questions regarding the Gaian war:

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But checking our compiled maps of the probable area there seem to be multiple ways of passing through.
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Then we must be thinking of different areas as far as I can tell.

The real reason for attacking the Gaians is in fact our announcement in the turn tracking thread:
"Lord Chaos, your collaboration with our mortal enemy, the Corporation, has gone on long enough. From this day forward, our Vendetta extends to you!"
Relations have always been bad, and on top of that they pacted with our enemies, so we attacked them. From this follows we would be more than willing to sign peace if they broke their pact with the Corporation.

[Kassiopeia]

[Snoddasmannen]

Good reply Maniac

Maybe we can even show them a screenie of the way things were before the attack, and how they had blocked us there for several turns?

[Maniac]

For those who don't visit the embassies regularly, lots of new stuff in the Angel embassy.

Btw with the two most regular diplomacy writers Kassiopeia (exams IIRC?) and Googlie (moving to Vancouver) busy, wouldn't someone else be interested to take responsibility for our diplomacy?

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Maniac
For those who don't visit the embassies regularly, lots of new stuff in the Angel embassy.

Nothing requiring much attention, though.

The elections are pretty much decided (congrats Yang).

The Pact of Angels and Gaians is... well... not important as long as Angels are friendly to us. There is a simple choice: Either we accept the Pact with the Angles and proceed with tech trades, or we go into paranoia mode and cease all friendly relations. A choice not really being one, because a 3 vs 1 alliance would kill us.