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  • To Gaian Union,

    Explaining our technology trade with Spartan Federation we have to inform the Gaian Union that our negotiation did not go very well. Spartans agreed to trade both Doctrine Flexibility and Ethical Calculus without embargos for the price which was not acceptable. Trading Flexibility and Ethical Calculus was not possible for only Doctrine Loyalty, and it became apparent that this trade will fail if we would not go for compromise. Also we knew that Doctrine Loyality was not that valuable for Spartans that they might even refuse to release one of these technologies for it. Considering urgency of obtaining Doctrine Flexibility by both our factions we went ahead and traded this technology with Spartans. Presently we consider renegotiated offer for Ethical Calculus to Spartan Union and we intend to continue until we reach mutual acceptable agreement, although we do not exclude other means of acquiring this technology.

    According to our agreement we will transfer Ethical Calculus to the Gaian Union as soon as we have it. It is presently one of our top priorities to acquire this technology in the fastest possible way. We do realize that Gaian Union is in need of it. We also feel, that failure to acquire both Flexibility and Ethical Calculus from Spartans is for both our factions unfortunate, though present partial trade have its benefits. These benefits will be also shared by the Gaian Union.

    IT Mart
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    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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    • And you posted it before me... just as a possible notification... the School District is playing with their filters, and this site is on the hotlist to be excluded... So, if I go quiet suddenly, they probably cut it off...

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      • Originally posted by Mart7x5
        To Gaian Union,

        We would like to ask what is the status of your response to recently submitted by us technology trade proposal.

        On another issue, we have had recently quite succesful talks with the Spartan Federation regarding Ethical Calculus. Spartans agree to release it under the condition for us and the Gaian Union not to undertake to build the Citizen's Defence Force. Since you have already mentioned that in one of our correspondence, I presume you would be able to agree on it. There is also an additional benefit to us, Spartans are willing to not to undertake building the Ascetic Virtues SP. Thus if we succeed to acquire the technology allowing Ascetic Virtues SP before all other factions, we can decide which faction Gaian Union or Data Angels completes this SP. In return we, Angels, would attempt to research Intellectual Integrity and forward this technology to Spartan Federation as soon as we research it. We still need to agree on few details pertaining to this trade, but overall it seems very beneficial to both of us and possible to happen very soon.

        Thus both our factions would be able to pop boom quite soon, which will definitely counterbalance Morganic advantages. It appears that closer cooperation between
        three our factions, Gaians, Spartans and Angels is possible. We await your reply.

        IT Mart
        "Cutlery confused Stalin"
        -BBC news

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        • RPS Base, MY 2153

          To Gaian Union,

          We would like to inquire you what is the technology presently researched by the Gaian Union. In one of previous correspondence we were informed it was Ecological Engineering. Is this true?

          Would the Gaian Union be interested in trading it at the time it will be researched?

          IT Mart
          Also.
          Thank you for this information, it is then fact that Ethical Calculus will soon loose some of its value and it is traded at the time when it still has some higher price.

          I cannot know what are Gaian possibilities regarding probing the Human Hive, however the benefit of obtaining the technology from other friendly faction will spare you a base for possible easier acquiring yet another useful technology. You should receive Ethical Calculus very shortly, I hope this is not the only tech Gaian agent might obtain from Yang?
          My replies:
          Answer to both questions is yes. However, can we get data on technology you are researching? If we are correct, you mentioned something about researching IntInt for Spartans? Is this correct and are you willing to trade it when finished?
          Ill
          Yang indeed has many technologies we (you and we) do not have, but most of them are military oriented like impact and gatling weapons, optical computers etc. Current plans predict we may probe another technology within next five to seven years, but I cannot give you exact information as most of our probe resources have been allocated to other tasks.
          Illuminatus
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          Might I also ask Angels to again review our counterproposal in the matter of Social Psych trade? We haven't got any response for quite some time.
          Last edited by Illuminatus; December 22, 2004, 15:09.
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          • RPS Base, MY 2154

            To Gaian Union,

            A short note to you. You will find Ethical Calculus pre-accepted when you open your next turn. We are glad this technology finally is transmitted to you.

            We are presently researching Intelectual Integrity. The estimated time of completion is though in 28 years, but please be advised that we soon are going to significantly boost our research output.

            We also exchanged a few technologies with Spartan Federation and the update of our research situation will soon follow.

            IT Mart
            SMAC/X FAQ | Chiron Archives
            The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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            • Illuminatus,

              No apologies are needed. Spartans scare me a bit too. And this is all knowing that playing Spartans is not actually easy and they can prosper that good. Though Gaians and Data Angels are difficult to play too. Morganities do have advantage.

              We never directly told Spartans what you research, but they are connecting all loose facts with skill. Regarding this issue, I think they probably pulled out some info from one of our conversations with them pertaining to our research state during switch to Intelectual Integrity, what gave them a helpful clue. Combining this with their databanks state, they made conclusions. If this is what they did, it was nothing deliberate from our side and I regret that it slipped my attention when formulating diplo messages to them. As long as they have technological advantage we probably have to accept being to some extent "transparent" to them as for the researched technologies.

              Actually, if Spartans approached you with the offer of technologies trade it means that they in fact may need help with their war effort, though they may say differently. That is however not a direct support, but that on peaceful cooperation part. As for their problem with Morganities, I have impression that Spartans made the first move destroying a Morganic vessel, probably on the waters close to Spartan territory, as Jtsisyoda pointed, then they replied with probe team action and conflict escalated. Spartans having bad relations with Zakharov, Yang and Morganities probably will not want yet another war. Did they signed truce with Zakharov?

              I am not surprised they are dissapointed with our research speed. We have it quite supressed due to drone problems. Our current labs output is actually ridiculous, but not for long and maybe Spartans will be later surprised, if it's possible to surprise them.
              RPS Base, MY 2156

              To Gaian Union,

              We have the following proposal to Gaian Union.
              Data Angels currently posses the following technologies which are not in Gaian databanks:
              - Progenitor Psych
              - Optical Computers
              - Adaptive Economics
              Since we know that you are going to probe Human Hive bases to extract any technologies Yang may have, we would propose to transfer any or all of these technologies, whichever Human Hive presently posses to Gaian Union before you perform the probing action. This way you do not risk to extract a technology which we currently have, what would be a waste of resources and opportunities.
              We would agree on transfer of another technology or technologies in exchange for these three or some of them transferred to you. We are open to any suggestion you may have regarding this matter.

              IT Mart
              SMAC/X FAQ | Chiron Archives
              The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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              • I propose a reply to let them know that we had this in mind but currently we have problems with probes - this is why we asked them for credits before, to fund new probes (we really need more probes and sea units). We should tell them we don't plan any probe insertions yet, and that this is why we haven't asked them to trade for any of technologies yet- we are trying to keep our tech cost low.
                SMAC/X FAQ | Chiron Archives
                The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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                • good proposal!
                  -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                  -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                  • RPS Base, MY 2156

                    Currently we would prefer not to enter vendetta with Yang. This is what we concluded after the discussion within our forum. We are not completely prepared for war at this moment, and really do have quite energy constraints. Is there any other way we might support you about this problem?

                    About the issue of Yang's coastal bases. Yes, if you could provide us with information regarding their location and possible probe teams presence we would be grateful.

                    IT Mart
                    SMAC/X FAQ | Chiron Archives
                    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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                    • And in return, they might probe for us?

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                      • And in return, they might probe for us?
                        Yeah.
                        They will do it anyway, but with less success (without infiltration iformation)

                        But they can have infiltration in a few turns..
                        -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                        -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                        • We asked them for a little map info, and we might as well reciprocate. We don't directly lose anything, and the information they gain isn't groundshaking, and would become available to them soon enough anyway.
                          "Cutlery confused Stalin"
                          -BBC news

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                          • So we can give it as a sign of goodwill and friendship.
                            -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                            -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                            • Good. Get them on our good side. Better us than the Spartans.

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                              • ACDG3
                                RPS Base, MY 2157

                                The Spore Launcher unit has been transferred this turn to Gaian Union. Since we were discussing it for longer time, I assume you were prepared to receive it.

                                Regarding the technology exchange, please be advised, that in order to be able to switch to Cyberethics we need to increase our technology possesion by 2 new technologies, thus after receiving Intelectual Integrity we will need another technology also. Ecological Engineering is an option, since we can select it and when receiving it from you we could switch to Cyberethics without any lab points lost.

                                IT Mart
                                SMAC/X FAQ | Chiron Archives
                                The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.Shaw

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