The Infotrader/Infiltrator Network - Diplomacy plug-in

[Hercules]

Ok we can but wait.

[Mart]

An answer from Googlie:

To: Data Angels

The Junta has deliberated and considered your counter proposal.

The sticking point seems to be the length of any trade embargo, so here is a simplified offer:

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The Data Angels will send Doctrine: Loyalty to the Spartan Federation in 2148*, no strings attached on either side

Same year, the Spartan Federation will send Doctrine: Flexibility to the Data Angels, no strings attached on either side

* assuming that this is the year you would research the technology

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This will let you execute your leapfrog with the Gaian Union without any constraints set by us - and if the Data Angels or the Gaian Union should happen to beat the Hive to the Command Nexus, that's OK too (at least this offer might persuade the Gaians that we had no "hidden agenda" whereby all along all we wanted was to build the CN - they professed not to have believed us when we insisted it was just an afterthought)

Lieutenant-Colonel Googlie

[Mart]

It appears that they will likely not release Ethical Calculus. And it is undertandable, both Loyality and Eth. Calculus lead to Intellectual Integrity and Citizen Defense Force. They will have both needed, us and Gaians only one! This kinda puts the deal on hold. Ethical Calculus was requested strongly by Gaians, I think Gaians will most probably refuse to release Loyality in this case.

Any other thoughts?

[Hercules]

This looks very positive. I can't find fault.
except we miss Soc Psych and Eth Calc.

Otoh we get Doc Flex,Doc Mob and Doc Loy in passing.

I am almost inclined to copy this to the Gaians.

[Hercules]

What are the Gaians currently researching?

Because with no embargos we can pass Doc Flex as soon as we receive it.

[Hercules]

Ok Mart I just read your follow up. Not quite so positive.

We will need to ask Spartans what they want for Eth Calc.

But their attitude to CN is positive I feel.

For Spartans Intel Integrity is necessary for police factor not for the CDF. We too could use it and live with embargo.

[Mart]

The main conflict is I think Ethical Calculus. Ok, then, I will inquire Spartans openly what would they want for Eth. Calc.. I will prepare a note. Any thoughts, as for what specifically they would need - a tech, an embargo, or else like CDF assurance?
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As far as I know Gaians started Ecological Engineering

[Mart]

How about this question:

To Spartan Federation,

We thank you for the counterproposal. It is currently being discussed.

We would like to ask specifically about Ethical Calculus. Is it possible for Spartan Federation to exchange it with Data Angels. What Spartans would consider a fair price or conditions for this technology at this moment?

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I thought about some more elaboration on possible trade from us, but maybe let them to tell first. Anyway, do we have anything more than Progenitor Psych? I think not.

[Hercules]

No that's OK. Plus I don't think we want to offer re assurance about future SPs. One assurance re CN is enough atm.

[FlameFlash]

Agree with Herc there.

[Mart]

An answer from Illuminatus:

Sorry for commenting on this only now, however, if you need guarantee, you can freely offer guarantee in our name (we decided not to build it, indeed we would have finished it next turn it if we wanted to), and if you need more incentive, you can add guarantee we won't build CDF either (we also declined from attempting to build it).
Also, if there is any possibility for Doctrine: Flexibility to be transmitted to us as early as possible, we would be grateful if you can explore it. Yang has gone on a quiet build up of impact units, and Flexibility is needed to help our defense/probing efforts, which have shown useful for both of our three factions.
Regarding your fifth proposition, I will notify the council of this - we are quite stretched in our manpower resources this week, and we may not reply with our proposal for couple of days. We apologize for this.

It seems Gaians may have problems with Hive and its Impact units. They appear to be in a great need of Flexibility. Should I inform Gaians, that Spartans are willing to release Doc. Flexibility only in exchange for Loyality? We might discuss Ethical Clculus then later on, maybe Spartans will finally release it. Also it appears, that Gaian forfeit for CDF is quite promissing. What a turn of events: neither Gaians or Spartans seem to be very willing to build Command Nexuss.

So maybe:
- ask Gaians if Flexibility as soon as possible is acceptable for their Loyality?
- accept then Spartan offer, so we exchange Flexibility, we switch to Adaptive Economics, and discuss with Spartans Ethical Calculus as soon as possible.

At the present moment, I think we should ask Gaians directly, if they release Loyality and Mobility to us for Flexibility in 2150 in Gaian hands (my estimate - we give it to Gaians in 2149 if everything goes ok) And Ethical Calculus a bit later, as we negotiate it finally or maybe even research it.

Although neither Spartans or Gaians wish to build Command Nexus I think this SP is of really great value as usefullness, so who in your oppinion would be better suited to have it?

[Mart]

Also, I feel we will soon come to conclusion that we may accept Spartan offer, but I would prefer to have Loyality first. You know - we actually trade what do not posses at this moment... And we do not want to research. It is risky...

[Mart]

I had some time to think about it a bit more.

So probably the best way would be:
- take Loyality and Mobility from Gaians now (I hope they give it)
- exchange Loyality with Spartans for Flexibility.
- give Flexibility to Gaians as soon as we get it.
- switch to Adaptive Economics in our research
- continue talks with Spartans for Ethical Calclculus
- when we finally get Ethical calculus forward it to Gaians.

also:
- because Gaians would forward to us 2 techs in advance, and we will probably delay a bit giving them Ethical Calculus, how about some gift to Gaians? maybe some energy, when we have PEG, this will not be a problem.

[Mart]

In this case, I would propose the following message to Gaians:

To Gaian Union,

We thank you for the response to our proposal and questions. Presently we are corresponding with Spartans regarding Doctrine Flexibility and Ethical Calculus. It appears that we will be able to forward Doctrine Flexibility to you much sooner than we expected, although Ethical Calculus may take a bit longer time. In this regard, if Gaian Union forwards yet in this mission year 2148 both Doctrine Mobility and Doctrine Loyality to us preaccepted, we most probably will be able to forward to you Doctrine Flexibility in MY 2149, which you will receive in MY 2150. This is even sooner than expected from our research. Ethical Calculus may take some longer time, but at the present moment we cannot say about expected year. Since you indicated the threat which Human Hive poses to other factions and urgent need of Doctrine Flexibility, I think that it may be beneficial to make this exchange. Furthermore, since Gaian Union is in war with Human Hive, and would forward to us two technologies in advance, which we will greatly appreciate because of your trust towards Data Angels, we consider an additional aid to Gaian Union to help your war effort.

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- I hope I do not press them in this letter. Any comments regarding this? I do not want them to have feeling that we want them to enter some disadvantegous trade.
- If we write about some additional help, then we should not withdraw it later. I consider like 50 EC for Gaians. In some rates - we do not have PEG yet. Hopefully we get it. Is this much? or too little?

[Hercules]

Nope that is fine. Let's do the deal.

Did you get message from Illuminatius to inform Chaos Theory about the deal.?