CCCP's Workshop.

[Maniac]

Both at once I guess...

Disclaimer: I stopped reading them a LOOOOONG time ago.

[Kirov]

[OOC]: OK, I know I'm a moron but could someone explain me whether your argument FM vs. Planned is RP or in-game? In other words, is this debate liberals vs. socialists or players preferring either FM or Planned in SMAC? I'm very confused about it... [/OOC]

[lucky22]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
That's right, it's so obvious that it's the best choice we don't even need to debate it

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Main_Brain
There is no Discussion FM vs Planned!
FM is not even Point of Debate! *aarggh*
I refuse to discuss FM

[Main_Brain]

I agree the best choice i so obvious there is no need to discuss this.

[GeneralTacticus]

That's right, it's so obvious that it's the best choice we don't even need to debate it

[Main_Brain]

There is no Discussion FM vs Planned!
FM is not even Point of Debate! *aarggh*
I refuse to discuss FM

[lucky22]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus


Okaaaaaaay... now what relevance does that have to what we were discussing? For that matter, what were we discussing?

FM vs. Planned for mature factions



and wealth with planned vs. knowledge with planned for right now- and to that debate it has little relevance at all. These things pretty much come up as a result of off-handed asides.

[GeneralTacticus]

"Surplus value" relates to both the cost of labor and the price of the ore. Once a miner extracts enough to pay the cost of his labor, anything he makes for the company is surplus value. The relative scarcity of the ore could affect how quickly he pays for himself in a shift, but the principle remains the same. This happens to be the basic definition of surplus value Marx uses in Capital.

Okaaaaaaay... now what relevance does that have to what we were discussing? For that matter, what were we discussing?

[lucky22]

Originally posted by Main_Brain
Indeed we did Finsih the Human Genome in RealLife (mostly) so I went up on the Streets looking for People who went Happy..

My life hasn't been this ecstatic since they put up the Hanging Gardens.

[lucky22]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
I never said it wasn't. However, do you consider 'surplus value per hour' to be relative or absolute? Should ore be considered to be worth less because there is a lot of it?

"Surplus value" relates to both the cost of labor and the price of the ore. Once a miner extracts enough to pay the cost of his labor, anything he makes for the company is surplus value. The relative scarcity of the ore could affect how quickly he pays for himself in a shift, but the principle remains the same. This happens to be the basic definition of surplus value Marx uses in Capital .

[Main_Brain]

Indeed we did Finsih the Human Genome in RealLife (mostly) so I went up on the Streets looking for People who went Happy..

[GeneralTacticus]

I never said it wasn't. However, do you consider 'surplus value per hour' to be relative or absolute? Should ore be considered to be worth less because there is a lot of it?

[lucky22]

A perfect example of "complex details". The miner is no doubt producing more surplus value per hour he labors. His occupational status should be greater. That status in fact may well not be greater, of course.
Then comes the obligatory lefty statement that neither person should be denied enough access to resources to feed himself and his family, pay for medical care, pay for shelter and pay for education for his family. Here in the states, all of the above is often more of an issue for miners than for copy boys.

[GeneralTacticus]

So, a clerk who sorts paperclips six hours a day should get the same pat as a miner who works in hazardous conditions twelve hours a day? That doesn't sound right.