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[lucky22]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus

No, IOW, everyone wants to produce everything they need for themselves? That would require everyone to be furniture maker, tailor, cook, farmer, miner, etc. etc. all at once, all day long.

The idea is equal distribution of the "fruits of labor". That is, labor should not produce more surplus value than it is permitted access to. Obviously the details are still complex but the notion does not require primitive/tribalistic communalism.

[Kirov]

I have spotted no extra talents in Warsaw...

[Maniac]

So far I understood it too, but otherwise...

[GeneralTacticus]

Re: Main_Brain...

I think he means that we've mapped the Human Genome and as such have built the HGP, but I have no idea how that pertains to this topic.

[GeneralTacticus]

Wealth is not job and goods and services its only money money money and money.

Wealth is economic and industrial development, goods, services and money, all represented by Energy Credits and faster builds.

The proletariat only wish to be able to benefit of its own work, instead of putting it on rent for someone else's profit.

No, IOW, everyone wants to produce everything they need for themselves? That would require everyone to be furniture maker, tailor, cook, farmer, miner, etc. etc. all at once, all day long.

The morale penalty is not about patriotism, its about the moral decay.

I never said it was about patriotism, I said it was about the soldiers being less well trained and not wanting t fight as much.

If you have creches, theres no moral decay. Dont tell me creches make conscripts more patriotic and thus cancel the moral penalty.
It is indeed a possibility, it can happen when you dont have creches .

Creches cancel the Morale penalty because:

with children present, parents will defend their homes to the death.

Nothing to do with them somehow countering moral decay.

[Pandemoniak]

[Method]

i agree.

[Maniac]

[Main_Brain]

I cannot comment on that because I just realized we have completed the HGP(RL) and such have more happy People arround.

[Pandemoniak]

Wealth is not job and goods and services its only money money money and money. The proletariat only wish to be able to benefit of its own work, instead of putting it on rent for someone else's profit.
The morale penalty is not about patriotism, its about the moral decay. If you have creches, theres no moral decay. Dont tell me creches make conscripts more patriotic and thus cancel the moral penalty.
It is indeed a possibility, it can happen when you dont have creches .

[GeneralTacticus]

Wealth : Government looking for wealth try to build quiclky an economic and industrial infrastructure. They success to a growth and a development quickly, regardless of secondary effects like decadence and degenrescent ways of life.

The English version is: "with possible side effects being decadence and moral decay." This states merely that wealth can lead to decadence, not that it will.

As for the Morale penalty: the better the quality of life people have, the less willing they will be to leave and go risk their lives for their country, so it's hardly a surprise that there is such a penalty.

Read : the superior class, the evil bourgeoisie, destroys moral -- what makes man different from common lentil -- and civilization itself by the only goal of achieving a succesful economy and industry.

What if it's the proletariat that want Wealth implemented, so they have more jobs and more goods and services?

[Kirov]

THEY (those foul scientist scum) want you do think that way.

[Pandemoniak]

Wealth : Government looking for wealth try to build quiclky an economic and industrial infrastructure. They success to a growth and a development quickly, regardless of secondary effects like decadence and degenrescent ways of life.
(this is a ****ty translation from the Manual to Social Engineering : actualise your sentient being by AdamTG)

Read : the superior class, the evil bourgeoisie, destroys moral -- what makes man different from common lentil -- and civilization itself by the only goal of achieving a succesful economy and industry.

[OOC] I love this game, all that is so marxist [/OOC]

[Drogue]

I wasn't impling that merely that if the soldiers don't want to fight, forcing them to will cause unrest with them , their families, and anti-war protestors (like me )

Yes, I'm clutching at straws, but I think the people won't feel safe without a badly trained army, and i really think Wealth is a bad idea. but hey, its just my opinion.

[Kirov]

The "Morale" definition is quite simple, describes only soldiers' attitude and has nothing to do with population as a whole. You can't say that because of Wealth people are 'very green' instead of 'disciplined'...