Can a case be made for a Ukrainian civ for a Europe map?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Azazel
Gawd, you're tough:

a) They spoke greek, right? the fact they called it 'Roman' wouldn't matter, just as calling a new ICBM with multiple warheards "Happy Butterfly" won't change the fact that it is a WMD. .

For realism Daisy Cutters is a good comparison.

[Az]

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Serb
I can't believe Heresson is still spaming here.
Somebody, please shoot him.

Hi! I started missing You.
Hm... Recently I watched a film about Russian jails...
150 people in one, 100 sq m cell... Nice, nice...
All for drugs.
Is that true that there are 1,5mln prisoners, which would make a percent of Russian population?

[XarXo]

Conclusions at this level of the thread:

-1-

Could a new civ born from another when if changes or is just the same civ?

No, it isn't, the people and their culture is what made civ, change this and you have something different (for example, black jews aren't hebrews, but now they are israelis )

So, in this case, YES, a case could be made for a Ukranian (Rhutenians -> Ukranians)

-2-

What creates a civ?

The sense of an individual nationalism that is quite similar between the people of a same area, creating a nation. Things like languages, flags, rules and similar just create more links in these senses.

So, in this case, YES, a case could be made for a Ukranian (when ukranians feel different from russians)

-3-

How much power or influence need a country for be in a civ game?

Well, 16/24 civs of thousands that existed in the last 6000 years... Russia had and have a big influence in the world, but ukrania...

So, in this case, NO, a case couldn't be made for a Ukranian.

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Looking this, 2 YES and 1 NO, but the second YES is half so 1,50 and 1,50

We need more opinions!!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel
shhh. I am spamming here , too.

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Da kak tebe skazat... 8 marta- vse pyut, a ya odin kak durak sizhu na rabote.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
Hi! I started missing You.

Unfortunately I can't say the same.

Hm... Recently I watched a film about Russian jails...
150 people in one, 100 sq m cell... Nice, nice...

Now find a film about Ukranian jails and you will find another evidence that we are the same civ- we treat our criminals alike. (They treat them a bit worse, we are a bit more humane than Ukranians).

Is that true that there are 1,5mln prisoners, which would make a percent of Russian population?

I don't know, but if it's true- do you think that 1% it's a huge number? Do you have the same statistics about for example USA, or Poland?

[Serb]

Originally posted by XarXo

We need more opinions!!

Remove Russia, instead of Russia place Rus- united state of Russians, Ukranians and Beylorussians.

It's the only fair solution.

[Heresson]

1% isn't much... Who knows. It depends.
Russian population is shrinking by 700 000 people each year, some million last year. At the end, perhaps only the prisoners shall be left

[Az]

Heresson: AFAIK, the situation isn't much better at yours.

[Serb]

How dare you?
Poland is true paradise, everything is perfect there.

[Heresson]

Poland is true paradise, everything is perfect there.

In comparison with Russia, it's kind of true...

Originally posted by Azazel
Heresson: AFAIK, the situation isn't much better at yours.

Oh yes it is. There's violence and crowd as everywhere,
but what I've seen there was just, well, sort of...

[XarXo]

Ok, so we should ask Firaxis to include the R civ , what think the people that are R-nians about this idea?

[Az]

Oh yes it is. There's violence and crowd as everywhere,
but what I've seen there was just, well, sort of...

I am talking about your natural annual "growth" of population. silly.

[Heresson]

No. Only recently it's fallen to 0.

[XarXo]

"recently" = 13 last years ?