SCENARIO: Modern World (In Progress! Nitpickers needed!)

[sabrewolf]

for some people suicide bombers are terrorists, for others freedom fighters. if you consider the latter, we've got the guerilla unit...

the suicide bomber is historically unimportant. an average attack might kill 1-2 people (most bombers get shot before they blow anyone else up). foot units in civ3 represent several thousand men, tanks will be something of the size of a brigate, planes a squad. only ships is really just 1 reallife-unit (altough transporting settlers would take more than 1 ship )
so imho, it's not worth to add into the game.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Yes, but the presence of suicide bombers makes internal defense that much sharper... in other words, attacking repeatedly with suicide bombers a city would make the city's defenders Elite eventually, à la Israel.

On the other hand, suicide bombers have been effective elsewhere, as in Sri Lanka, and they can wreak havok on settlements, etc.

[sabrewolf]

to make a unit elite, you'd need someone attacking. cruise missiles cannot be defended against (except with those special city improvements)

if each bomber would be as organised and well equipped as timothy McVeigh was, it would be an game-relevant issue.

but now i'll stop, this thread is once again off topic

JW: i just found out how young you are. i'm impressed by your geographical, historical, cultural and political knowledge

[trevor]

JW, can we expect this scenario to be finished at some point in the not-to-distant future?

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Another highly cynical unit that should be in this scenario, as it is in use throughout much of the "developing"/"third" world...

The Child Slave Solider.

Children, conscripted into slavery and forced to fight by rebel and government-backed guerilla forces, can be found all throughout Africa, as well as in certain areas of Southeast Asia, Columbia and some other Andean countries.

As they are quite vicious but obviously not as skilled as a more well-honed, well-trained guerilla unit, I would suggest stats such as 7/4/1. Perhaps these too could have some worker functions, but not all of them. Only clear forest/jungle, and maybe build outpost.

[Azeem]

This is going to be some disturbing scenario, isn't it?

I think the Child Slave Soldier should be a bit weaker than the Guerilla. Or you could boost the Guerilla's power and give the Guerilla stats to the Child Slave Soldier. It should also be cheaper and be able to treat jungle terrain as roads.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Azeem
This is going to be some disturbing scenario, isn't it?

I think the Child Slave Soldier should be a bit weaker than the Guerilla. Or you could boost the Guerilla's power and give the Guerilla stats to the Child Slave Soldier. It should also be cheaper and be able to treat jungle terrain as roads.

Well, the modern world is a bit disturbing...

...as for those two units, I think they should both be able to treat jungles as roads, and the guerilla should keep its stats... the child slave solider should have a rifleman's stats, perhaps. They are often surprisingly apt, and certainly ferocious, fighters, especially the Mai Mai of the Congo. These are the soldiers that, in many cases, grow up to be seasoned guerillas!

[Azeem]

Hmm... There could be "unique" Child Soldier units such as the Nazi "Hitler Youth" (some took part in battle), the Chinese "Red Guards" (many were quite young and were extremely violent), the "Mai Mai" you mentioned, Japanese child soldiers (who were unfortunately brainwashed into fighting American forces in the invasion of Okinawa), etc.

[Jaguar]

Hmm I'm not too entranced with the idea of getting hate mail. There's no way that the Hitler youth is making its way into my scenario. Suicide bombers are probably not an option.

Another reason - WTC disaster is probably only equivalent to losing one pop point or so in city damage. Suicide bombings a la Palestine are not big enough on a civ scale to make a difference. Same with child soldiers. (Also for that one there's a graphic issue.)

Sorry that I'm slow. I am just a busy person. I want to finish before spring break so I'll have some dedicated playtesting.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Well, the Hitler Youth were not a real significant factor in Nazi history anyways. But I do think "youth" should be included, as well as suicide bombers, as they do make up a lot of the world's active combatants.

But I understand and respect your reasons for not doing so. Maybe some of the other cynics and I can get together and add some evil to your mod once it's completed.

(this is not meant as an attack on your work though... I think you're doing a very good job, and can't wait to actually play this thang...)

[Jaguar]

South American city placement - (this is the only continent where I'm not sure how accurate I was)

And I know that's bad grammar, but I'm sleepy.

Andean cities, from top down are: Arica, Lima, Antofagasta, Santiago, Talcahuano, Puerto Montt, and Punta Arenas.

Orange is British - Falkland Islands.

Mercosur cities, top to bottom, are Manaus (non coastal) Belem, Fortaleza, Recife, Salvador, Brasilia (non coastal) Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Asuncion (non coastal) Porto Alegre, Cordoba (non coastal) Buenos Aires, Bahia Blanca, and Puerto Deseado.

Venezuelan coastal cities, west to east, are Quito, Cali, Cartagena, Caracas, and Georgetown. The non-coastal cities are Bogota and La Paz. (La Paz is the city that is further South)

[Jaguar]

this used to be a description of the picture, but since its on the wrong page, I've moved the original text of this message back one post.

[sabrewolf]

can't you give the andean cities at least some food? mountains, desert, jungle and tundra... not the dream location.

give 'em some whales and other bonus & luxury resources

[Jaguar]

Yep. Cities will be given food trade and sheild bonuses to approximate their actual size. (Otherwise Oklahoma City would be larger than Moscow)

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Hey, good work Jaguar Warrior! Nice job!

But why isn't Columbia represented? Why is it lumped in with Venezuela? It should probably be linked (Bogota) to the other latin american countries north of it.