SCENARIO: Modern World (In Progress! Nitpickers needed!)

[mazzz]

most centtral asian countries? I did hear about that? please explain...

I do know that the Ukraine,Khankastan, and Georgia all had some after the USSR broke up buy SUPOSSEDLY destoryed them all...


"Pakistan and Iran voice Iraq concern"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2606561.stm

"During the visit the Iranian president not only declared that his country plans to build a nuclear power plant, he forcefully defended Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme. "

[mazzz]

so youd have to give these nations easy acess to uranium and alluminm...

South Arfica said they destroyed them, and even if they did im sure they still have the know how to make new ones...

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by mazzz
most centtral asian countries? I did hear about that? please explain...

I do know that the Ukraine,Khankastan, and Georgia all had some after the USSR broke up buy SUPOSSEDLY destoryed them all...

There's a lot of evidence that not only do Ukraine, Kazahkstan and Georgia still have nuclear weapons, but that they and Uzbekistan, Tajikstan, and others.

"Pakistan and Iran voice Iraq concern"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2606561.stm

"During the visit the Iranian president not only declared that his country plans to build a nuclear power plant, he forcefully defended Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme. "

All the Muslim powers stick together in public relations when confronted with America, but then again, so do the Europeans, yet the bickering between the EU countries and the Arab League countries is notorious...

[Potter]

I've been working on a 21 cent mod, Bush vs Saddam. I liked reading the world bloc discussion. I'm doing mine a bit differently, creating a United Nations civ comprised of South America, Africa, and various Asian countries. What I wanted to suggest is creating a new governent called Islamic, would be similar to Communism, but with more corruption, Elite Diplomats, no War Weariness. This could be the favorite government of the Arab League, Persian states and Indonesia.

Cheers,
JP

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Potter
I've been working on a 21 cent mod, Bush vs Saddam. I liked reading the world bloc discussion. I'm doing mine a bit differently, creating a United Nations civ comprised of South America, Africa, and various Asian countries. What I wanted to suggest is creating a new governent called Islamic, would be similar to Communism, but with more corruption, Elite Diplomats, no War Weariness. This could be the favorite government of the Arab League, Persian states and Indonesia.

Cheers,
JP

I don't know... the Islamic countries of the modern day are notoriously corrupt, but taken as a whole, Islam's history is no more corrupt than that of Christianity.

A better choice would be a modernization of Despotism... Called the "Secular Republic" or something like that, which could be, essentially, Despotism where you pay for improvements with cash instead of citizen's lives... because all these "Islamic" governments, discounting Iran and Saudi Arabia, are secular dictatorships, with a few elements of democracy and Koranic rule thrown in.

[sabrewolf]

JW, have you managed to finish one of the versions over xmas/new year-time? i'm eager to play-test it

[Jaguar]

I'm working 30 minutes a day, I should be doing more. My sister comes home from college for christmas and she plays civ non-stop. (she made the decision not to bring civ to school, so she plays as much as she can at home)

I'm enjoying Teturkhan TOT v1.70 too much as well.

[Barfus]

id definitely like to see lots of infantry units if you can

[Che Guevara]

You are making a mistake

All The Idea of coneccting israel to the united states in wrong. israel is one of the most powerfull nations ever been in the world. the fact that our territory is not huge like the soviet unions or the US dosen't means that israel should be under another goverment. especially not under the USA.
The same is about Korea.
There was an Idea to make a 31 nations in this scenario, that will be much better because every country will be under it's own goverment. and there will be more civilizations--> more wars and more trade routs.
think about it.
Here's the list of the most powerfull nations in the world:

1. Soviet Union
2. USA
3. China
4. Israel
5. Korea(both)
6. India
7. Japan
8. The Muslim League(Morroco, Libya, Palestine(if
posible),S.Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and so on)
9. Canada
10. australia(Surely deserves to be independet) with all
the islands around(Tasmania,new zeland...)
11. African League(all the non muslim countries)
12. South Africa
13. Iraq
14. EU(Italy, Spain, chez respuplic...)
15. United Kingdom(england, Ireland, iceland)
16. Duetchland(Germany and austria)
17. Scandinavia(denmark, norway, Finland...)
18. Brazil
19. Argentina
20. The United S.America(Chili,Uraguay...)
21. The united M.America(Mexico, Guatamalla, Cuba...)
22. Turkey
23. Pakistan(they have a nukes!)
24. The United Far East(Mongolia,Thailand...)
25. France
26. Asian Muslims(Indonesia, Philipines...)

now I'm out of Ideas, but this is a nice idea, It covers the most of the worlds nations.

[sabrewolf]

Che, you're right that israel is a major power in the world (considering nuclear waepons and organised "classical" army).

but it wouldn't make sence at all to give them an own civ in the game. because at best you could just fit 2 cities in that small slot surrounded by arabs and the mediterranean. even with a lot stronger forces than the neighbors, it would be impossible to survive, except if you declare war in the first few rounds and take powerhouses of your neighbors.

and you must be honest: military strength is not all. population also counts. and 6 million (of which quite a few are arabs) are definetly not much. actually, switzerland has 7 million, austria 8, but noone of us seriously asks to have an own civ in the game
territory is also an issue: 20'000 square km (half of CH, a quarter of A), of which 2/3 are unlivable (lakes, deserts) and a part of the rest is actually land that doesn't really belong to you....

so no matter if you like or dislike israel, for game purposes, an own civ doesn't make sence at all...

[sabrewolf]

anyway, you list doesn't make sence at all. the UK is a lot more powerful than most of the others above them. definetly more than japan. also france is far down. considering they are one of the 5 big nuclear countries...

otoh, the "muslim league" isn't as powerful as you mentioned. and pakistan is definetly stronger.

maybe you should consider saying what counted for you, i you do a ranked list

[sabrewolf]

jaguar warrior:
will you consider extending the tech tree? because it's a "modern world" scenario, most civs will have most technologies (except e.g. smart weapons and integrated defense).

you could have very expensive techs (move the tech rate down a lot) which enable improved cruise missiles (more firepower), stronger modern armours, better bombers, etc.

[Sheik]

There was an Idea to make a 31 nations in this scenario, that will be much better because every country will be under it's own goverment.

I agree. We need a scenario were all the nations have their own government. Too many scenarios group Isreal and US and too many also group Europe. This scenario will be much better if the nations are kept seperate. It doesn't matter if the balance of power is off.

[sabrewolf]

there are around 250 nations in the world...!?!?!?!
which to chose?
- the most powerful? --> africa will be virtually empty
- the most populated (absolute)? --> smaller nations lost
- the most populated (density)? --> no russia, no canada
- the biggest (area)? --> no denser nations.

you see... not so easy.

[Che Guevara]

It's pretty obvious that not all the countries can have their own goverments.
for example, i'm sorry if anybody offended, but there is no sence in making Nigiria,philipins or paraguay independet civilizations so you can group them into one alliance that will be much stronger.
and about the selection, you should pick countries that have an important role in the world of these days, so, countries like Israel and Iraq, should be under their own goverments. while countries like greece that have no effection on world's history shouldn't.
so countries, even like S.Arabia in second thought should be under thier own goverment, Even they have a very weak Military, they are affecting the worlds financial situation.

And one final thing, about the list that I wrote, I just wrote the countries that I could remember at the moment, and i didn't tried to rank them.