A good WWII scenario, finally!

[Rasbelin]

The more aspects we get, the more convinced
I get about the question of two different scenarios
for Europe and the Pacific. It's the logical way to
bring WWII into Civ III, without destroying the
historical aspects (like having to leave Poland or
Czechoslovakia outside).

[Juggernaut]

I'm sure the shipping WWII scenario will be decent.

[Inverse Icarus]

mmmhhh. i love playing the ww2 scenario as the Spanish or the Turks, and wh00ping the Nazis.

[H Tower]

you could argue that the war started when japan invaded china back in the mid 1930's. something like 1936. (not that i'm advocating that. it would start off extremely boring)

[Alexander I]

Well, to my surprise, I returned to the Apolyton forum to see that people are actually posting in my thread! Glory be!

So -

World Powers:

United States and Territories (Americans)
British Commonwealth (English)
France (French)
Germany (Germans)
Soviet Union (Russians)
China (Chinese)
Japan (Japanese)
Italy (Romans)

Other Entities:
Fascist Spain (Greeks)
India (Indians)
Poland (Egyptians?)
'Neutrals' (Zulus) - functions as a territory holder till nabbed by a power
Finland (Iroquois)
Norway (Aztecs)
Turkey (Babylonians)
Arabs (Persians)

Or perhaps a civ of "Not-so Neutrals" including militants around the world. Let's not forget the Irish fascists with their Eamon DeValera! What if he came to power during WWII? Could there have been a Berlin-Rome-Tokyo-Madrid-Dublin Axis!

[Gangerolf]

Shouldn't India be part of the British commonwealth?

[Sava]

For playability, I'd seperate it differently

1. Axis - (Include Italy, Germany, and Austria-Hungary)
2. Allies - US, Britain, Canada, Australia (Forces were mixed sometimes anyways)
3. France
4. Soviet Union
5. Japan (seperate from Axis due to distance)
6. China
7. Serbia (Yugoslavia was not a neutral nation)
8. Croatia (Sided with Nazis)
9. Turkey
10. South America (Neutral)
11. Arab (Middle East)
12. Neutrals (territory holder)
13. Spain
14. Finland
15. Norway
16. India

I know it's tempting to seperate Britain from US, but for the purpose of gameplay, I think the player should be allowed to control both forces. I didn't include the original Civ in paranthesis because it is irrelevant which colors you choose to use.

Many people don't hear about the Serbians vs Croatians because the British left the Serbian Chetniks out to dry. The Serbian guerilla forces kept the Nazis from controlling the entire Balkan Peninsula. This is very signification because it prevented the Nazis from spreading into the Middle East.

It would be interesting to play as Serbia and use guerillas to take over areas in the Balkans. The game should end with one of the following events happening for each playable Nation.

1. Allies (defeat Nazis and Japan), maybe Soviets if you want to get greedy

2. Soviets (defeat Nazis), maybe Japan and Allies if you want to get greedy

3. Nazis (defeat Allies and Soviets), or conquer world if you want to get greedy

4. Japan (defeat Allies and China), or conquer world if you want to get greedy

5. Serbia (defeat Nazis)

6. Croatia (defeat Serbia)

7. China (defeat Japan)

Conquering the world with Serbia, Croatia, and China would take forever and would be stupid. I think that it would be an interesting twist to play as 5-7 and watch the big AI's take each other out. Of course, I'm probably going to make my own scenario anyways. This setup would just allow for different POV's and wouldn't just be the monatenous "kill everyone".

[cyril25376]

Short Comment:
The empire of Austria Hungary ended when it looses WW I. But I think a WWI scenario is also a good idea.

[pithorr]

Congratulation guys!
I understand you do not like Poland.
A lot of problems since 200 years...
Poll affair...
However, excluding Poland from WWII...
For me it's just ridiculous...
Norway, Portugal, Croatia, Switzerland, yes they are indded worth more to be included than a country where all the brawl began.
Poland:
- lost 6 million citizens during WWII (the highest rate per capita),
- deployed 1 millino army in 1939, however was abandoned by allies.
- Polish troops faught in all fronts of the war including Narvik, France '40, Tobruk, Italy (Monte Cassino), D-Day, and Market-Garden operations
- Polish fighters shot down more than 10% German planes during Battle of Britain.
- Overall war effort was bigger than French one!

[Dauphin]

deployed 1 millino army in 1939, however was abandoned by allies.

There is such a thing as real politik. What could have been done. Do you jump into a burning building to save someone, knowing that in all likelyhood doing so would kill you both?

No offence, wish we could have done more, but in reality what more could we have done?

[pithorr]

Originally posted by Big Crunch

deployed 1 millino army in 1939, however was abandoned by allies.

There is such a thing as real politik. What could have been done. Do you jump into a burning building to save someone, knowing that in all likelyhood doing so would kill you both?

No offence, wish we could have done more, but in reality what more could we have done?

Just enter Germany
I am tired to argue on another forum :
http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...threadid=15670

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by pithorr

Just enter Germany

Jeez, why didn't I think of that?

We should have just waltzed into Russia in August '45 aswell I guess?

[pithorr]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


Jeez, why didn't I think of that?

We should have just waltzed into Russia in August '45 aswell I guess?

No, you needn't. I realise it was not possible.
However, it is quite another problem.
In Sept 1939 France & UK were able to help Poland...
And promised in such treaties:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/ww...ook/blbk19.htm
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/ww...low/ylbka1.htm

[Alexander I]

An then there's ANOTHER Polish issue. Currently, Poland is comprised thus:

1/2 Old Polish Territory
1/2 Prussia

I'm wondering, why can't the Russians give back their part (Heaven know they've got enough land) and give Prussia back to Germany?

I know it was wrong for Hitler to invade in '39, but Poland still had German territory even then - Danzig, Pomeravia, Posen, Silesia and so on.

[bogi]

Originally posted by Alexander01
An then there's ANOTHER Polish issue. Currently, Poland is comprised thus:

1/2 Old Polish Territory
1/2 Prussia

I'm wondering, why can't the Russians give back their part (Heaven know they've got enough land) and give Prussia back to Germany?

I know it was wrong for Hitler to invade in '39, but Poland still had German territory even then - Danzig, Pomeravia, Posen, Silesia and so on.

I am tired of arguing with these damn nazi Germans. Hitler died along time ago

1. Prussia Never belonged to germany.Most of Prussia was composed of Poland and Lithuania. Prussia was first settled by Balts and Slavs(Russians are slavs) Polish King Invited the Germans to Prussia (the Kallingrad region). Then Prussia just took, but it was beaten at grunwald. And became split and Krolewiec(what was konigsberg, Present parts of Kalliningrad) became a part of Poland for a short time.And 90% of prussia 1914 was the 1795 Partiton of Poland.

2. Poland is composed of 100% Former Polish Lands of the 998-1100 Border of Poland

3. Prussia is Extinct. If you want Prussia go gets Kants grave its the only thing left other then that its all USSR/Russia(You cant find 1 german building and they are just rebuilding the church and making it Orthodox).It will stay russia, It will be a cold day in hell if the germans ever get Kaliningrad.

4.Gdansk not danzig. It was founded by poles and polish since 1400s-1795 then part of Napoleons Grand Duchy of Warsaw. Renamed to danzig in 1815.Renamed to Gdansk 1945.

5.Pomerania- Founded and settled by Slavs even in 1945 it was 10% polish.

6.Poznan not Posen. Founded by Poles and Polish from 998-1795 and was near polands first capital.

7.Selisa never part of germany it was either Poland,Bohemia,Hungary or Austria.