Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Story Thread 10 - July 2011]

[Russia (DoE)]

Russia has already expressed its feelings in a personal message to the Chinese Emperor.

Russia would like to see this conflict resolved in a more compromising manner, but will not do any further attempts at mediating, as all the parties involved - India, Japan and now China are adamant in their position specifically about the cities, and until this is the case, we cant see a way of reaching consensus.

[India (DoE)]

Appeal to the world (again)

China has no right to interfere in a war that Japan started against India! If we do not have at least the colony of Agra and Lahore returned to us and a sizeable compensation for both the Japanese betrayal and destruction of property and loss of life, and the stolen units, then we will not sign any peace.

Why is it that China is negotiating for Japan? You are in no way an unbiased party to this as you have shown with your ridiculously unfair peace suggestion which was so one-sided that Japan agreed to it without a single reservation yet India would unequivocally rather keep fighting. Your "peace" negotiations are nothing but a threat to take more Indian lands should we succeed in the war as we inevitably will .

India has always been a peaceful nation and we have always been willing to compromise and negotiate. But we will not, can not negotiate to accept completely unreasonable terms. If a neutral party would be willing to mediate we would accept this, but China is a declared enemy of India and they have no interest in a fair peace, only in securing their ally's illegal conquests.


In sum, China's suggestion of peace is completely unacceptable to India, as is China as any kind of mediator in this war as they themselves are likely the supplier of Japanese weaponry. India must be allowed to fight a defensive war! Anything else is pure evil.

[Aztecs (DoE)]

Camaxtli to his aide:

"Have you read this appeal to the world of India?"

"Yes"

"Well, I must say that India seems to have a point. Sadly we are hardly in a position right now to play the neutral party.
Maybe some other country steps forward.."

[Japan (DoE)]

Japan will not surrender what we have taken nor will we give sizable compensation for anything to India. For it is not Japan who started this war it was India. From the moment they settled on Islands claimed by Japan and there cities began suffocating Japan’s cities with there culture they gave us no other choice. India with all there pretending of innocents and pacifism while selling weapons of war to us to attack another nation for them is laughable. They have caused this war on themselves and Japan will make sure they suffer for it.

[India (DoE)]

Public response to Japan's insanities.

Can Japan just declare lands to be theirs and take them from others? As they tried with England and now you try with India? We have seen no claims to those islands, none, in the thousands of years of history, no public Japanese declaration of ownership have been made of those islands. We settled them legally and fairly with no protests from Japan, not to our diplomats and not in public.

We settled these islands as we had no other lands to settle after China blocked us in and threatened to destroy us if we even moved settlers near the South-East Asia region. We appealed to China not to do this and they mocked us and threatened us with destruction. So instead we sailed to the islands near our lands and settled there.

We will agree to letting Japan have its islands if India gains Guanzhou and Shandong. This war is a result of China's landgrab. As we were forced from the mainland, we settled the islands that Japan desired. If China truly desires peace so much let them be gracious to the poor so Japan can have their islands and we can have our claimed lands and Japan can have theirs.

If the world declares that Japan's conquest of lands they have "claimed" is just, then any nation can claim any lands and attack their holders. An interesting precedent.

[India (DoE)]

Grand conspiracy against India revealed


A sympathetic whistleblower in a foreign government has provided Indian intelligence officials with documentation that Inca is supplying Japan with ships of war clearly breaking neutrality and any claims of impartiality. The message was meant for Inca, but the incompetent Japanese diplomats apparently let another nation's intelligence agency intercept it.

Furthermore we have other intelligence showing that England is also supplying Japan with ships of war. It seems India is fighting not 1 nation, but 4, Japan, China, England and Inca. If anyone despises cowardice, speak out now, for such cowardice is beyond dishonorable. Alone India is standing against Japan who has weapons they have not technology to make, ships they have not the skills to build and hordes of upgraded units they can not afford. 4 nations have conspired against India, and still they fear us so much that China must send its enormous land army into our lands to break us. We will not be broken.

Foreign correspondence showing Incan sales of arms to wartime Japan


Intelligence graph showing England's gifting of 4 ships of the Line to Japan, notice that the drop and rise in power is exactly the same. When Japan lost its navy to the Indian liberation fleet it was quickly replaced by England the same turn.

[Inca (DoE)]

We highly doubt that the Indian navy had much chance ever against the Japanese navy with or without Inca ships, and we have made a healthy profit from the deal. What nation would not take such a deal? We are not neutral, however, and as such can not broker a peace as we did with India and Rus previously.

[England (DoE)]

An Open Letter to All Nations

England has never hid the fact that some of its warships were for sale. With the Great War over we are eager to cash in our peace dividend and resume our more tranquil way of life. Yes, we have sold warships to Japan. We have sold warships to other powers as well. In fact, India approached us about buying warships and we readily agreed to their offer. Indeed our ships were on their way to Indian waters when they canceled the arrangement with no explanation. We nearly sacrificed another deal to bring those ships to India. It seems now that India not only reneged on our agreement but has made accusations that we are somehow siding with Japan in this war in order to generate sympathy for their cause.

With all the offensive statements India made about England and our allies, and the fact that they were occupying illegally obtained English colonies, it shows our profound commitment to neutrality and impartiality that we were even remotely willing to sell ships to India. Our good faith was instead repaid with a broken agreement and baseless accusations.

India is not a nation to be trusted. We shall shed no tears over the fate of India or her people.

-Queen Elizabeth I

[England (DoE)]

Public response to Japan's insanities.

Can Japan just declare lands to be theirs and take them from others? As they tried with England and now you try with India? We have seen no claims to those islands, none, in the thousands of years of history, no public Japanese declaration of ownership have been made of those islands. We settled them legally and fairly with no protests from Japan, not to our diplomats and not in public.

We settled these islands as we had no other lands to settle after China blocked us in and threatened to destroy us if we even moved settlers near the South-East Asia region. We appealed to China not to do this and they mocked us and threatened us with destruction. So instead we sailed to the islands near our lands and settled there.

We will agree to letting Japan have its islands if India gains Guanzhou and Shandong. This war is a result of China's landgrab. As we were forced from the mainland, we settled the islands that Japan desired. If China truly desires peace so much let them be gracious to the poor so Japan can have their islands and we can have our claimed lands and Japan can have theirs.

If the world declares that Japan's conquest of lands they have "claimed" is just, then any nation can claim any lands and attack their holders. An interesting precedent.

Public response to India's laughably hypocritical and dishonest public response to Japan

India lambasts Japan for taking lands that belong to others. Saying they have no claim to those lands that were peacefully settled by India. This is shockingly hypocritical since for many years India occupied land that was peacefully settled by England long ago. Indeed, by a considerable margin we were the first civilized people to establish colonies on the continent of Australia. Surely India doesn't expect to have a stronger claim to land that they no doubt only read about in English nautical journals.

India then outright lies when it says they settled these lands "legally and fairly". No India, you did not. England settled one of those cities in dispute legally and fairly only to have it conquered by the Neandor and then turned over to Indian control. At least Japan has the courage to conquer their own cities.

-Queen Elizabeth I

[India (DoE)]

Final response to England

The sale of warships and troops in peacetime is one thing which India does not in any way condemn. But war profiteering is hardly the same. Selling equipment of war to nations locked in conflict extends the warring and impoverishes the stricken who are desperate, it is vile and immoral and it is something India has never done.

If England desired its colony of Brisbane returned, perhaps they could have tried negotiating with Neandor while they held it, or even with India after we bought it. Furthermore, your ridiculous claim that India needed English help to find Australia is nothing more than another lie from an opportunistic and greedy nation. India sailed to Australia by galley in the earliest of days as we can sail from India to south-east asia, via our island colony of Agra to Australia. India has ever been a nation of negotiation and compromise, yet England prefers to support those who declare war on us.

Speaking of hypocrisy, they say that Japan is in the right to take colonies from India, yet for Neandor to take colonies from England is an evil and India is the guilty party as we after the peace bought the territory. Japan attacking India is courage, while Neandor attacking England is evil? India has no more time for such nonsense.

As a response to other lies which are now becoming so common that we after this will no longer respond to them, India has recently sunk 5 Japanese warships. With our own fleet built 100% in India we have destroyed a large part of Japan's warfleet, until they received reinforcements from Inca and England. These are ships that the backwards nation of Japan are incapable of building themselves. It makes India very curious as to what payment Japan has offered in return for those ships? Could we perhaps guess territories in Australia?

Finally, as to your deal, we chose not to buy your ships as the transaction became far too complicated and risky. In addition to that, selling war material to nations at war is an immoral profiteering.

When seeing the hostility and many nations working together against India, can there be any doubt of the grand conspiracy that we have revealed? 3 large nations and their proxy Japan, against 1 small nation of 6 cities, which will soon to be consist of even less.

We hereby revoke our ambassador to England who spew lies and untruths at every turn. Any English statement will be ignored by the Indian foreign ministry until further notice.

[Inca (DoE)]

An open letter to the world:
India, ah but few ever purchase arms outside of the immediacy of wartime or nearing wartime. Such is a fact of trade, and as such the Inca have little choice but to make contracts at such times, although we still balance our peaceful natures and friendships and such when making such decisions...

But, of course, we had no such prevailing friendship with your nation, only neutrality despite such heated discourse as you displayed over the Pacific territories that your non-Pacific nation seemed to claim above all others. Indeed, we were central in the peace between you and Rus and in seriously decreasing your indemnities there, but that hardly prevents us from ever "profiteering", as you call it, in a war against you and the territories you yourselves took from a friend of ours. To say the least, we have never had official open borders with your country, so what love should be lost in assisting your enemies in war?

Those who trade in hot goods should not be surprised when they get burned! That is what we have to say over your loss of Australian territories and territories claimed first by other, more rightful owners such as the Japanese. The Inca are against outsiders taking territory that is rightfully the privilege of others without their consent in any part of the globe, whether it be in Cuba or Indonesia. You have encroached on rightful Japanese lands without their permission. On what authority did you do this, other than your own overblown sense of territorial entitlement? And you have bought stolen goods from Neander and now complain that they have been stolen yet again? Our best playwrights simply cannot make such things up!

As to the claim that Incacona will gain territories for her products, we will not comment on the details of our agreements, but time should prove the wrongness of this without question. The Inca are fully content to accept gold for their products.

If you think the Inca are interested in further major territories at the illegal expense of other nations, please note that our independent client kingdom of the Arabs, despite it perhaps being in their best interests to invade and ransack your homeland in your time of weakness, have been persuaded by us to remain on the sidelines, despite a massive, modern army that could run over Delhi in a fortnight. And, further, our own considerable navy and marine forces, despite being fully capable of overrunning your Tasmanico territory in a day also stayed on the sidelines. We will let our peaceful actions speak for themselves, and let the world judge us as they see fit for making a profit on an obvious and predetermined outcome.

We find it funny that the only nation that wanted others to pay for the right to open borders with her is now crying out about people trying to make money selling goods. Are you merchants or not, India? We are most confused...



Signed,

Mako Panuta

Sapa Chitcopi Incacona
Capaco, Empire of Inca

[India (DoE)]

Response to Inca

Japan has no natural rights to those islands. On what do you base this completely absurd allegation? It is only your alliance with China that makes you say so. India is as near to the islands we settled as Japan, and as mentioned before, we took to the islands since we were hemmed in on the mainland, we had nowhere else to go. We settled legally 3 of those colonies bringing our tiny nation to a full 9 cities. Japan had as far as we are aware a similar number. There was nothing unfair about that distribution of land. The lands were divided by settling at the expansive capacities of both nations. Lands were settled by the established principle of first come first serve, which we decried when China and England did it, but then no one said a word. So instead we adapted to that principle and settled lands of our own.

Even with all our colonies India and Japan were more or less equal in city number. There is no basis for Japan having 12 cities and India having 6 other than your irrational hatred of India based on your cowtowing to China. Yet you will not listen to facts, or reason or truth as you are biased in the extreme against us. India can not have possessions in the East Indies you say, but England and Neandor can? Are you aware of the flaw in your argumentation or do you merely ignore it as it is inconvenient?

Inca is determined to see the small nation of India smashed even smaller to benefit their allies in east asia, not for the sake of any fairness or justice, but because it benefits Inca's allies and by extension Inca. At our greatest our empire was the 10th largest. Now we are closer to 14th. One of the smallest empires in the world fighting to survive against Japan and China supported by Inca and England. All of which have ambitions and aspirations on our lands in the region. Our pitifully small nation under attack by greedy neighbours determined to reduce us to a single city-state. That you have not died of shame is a mystery.

If you in fact believed in the principle you say, then you should agree to work with India to create a peace treaty giving Japan some of the islands and India some of the south-east asian territories that China settled in the same manner that we settled our island colonies. Will you speak out for such a noble peace-ensuring deal or do you just want is to see your allies strengthened at our expense? Would you prove that you in fact believe in the principles you spout and treat fairly with both sides? We expect not, you have already declared that you hate us, and we have already shown that you have no reason to. You have chosen sides not for any reason of fairness, but because you have been in China's pocket along with its puppet Japan since the first moment your empires met.

Your hostility towards us is based in nothing other than our rivalry with Japan and China. Admit this honestly or live up to the principles you speak of and help India be compensated with lands that are rightfully ours in south-east Asia.

[Inca (DoE)]

An open letter:


We have always said that Australico is indeed first come, first served, but we have disagreed fully with violence on that continent, and decried such actions at the time. That you have lost your territories there is only fitting.

Regarding the Indies, this is a different region in Japan's natural perview, so your argument is moot.

Inca has no great alliance with China, although we would certainly count ourselves lucky if we did. We do not directly benefit by the violence in the Pacific, save for our "profiteering", as we feel the great ocean should remain, as its name indicates, peaceful. We do, however, feel that the Pacific belongs to the natural, native powers that line its rim, and as such India has no right to the territory, save on the far west side of the Indies, and to whatever lands in Australico it could have rightly settled when they were still available. Insofar as Japan has infringed upon your far western territorial rights, we condemn them. Treacherous knaves and all that rabble, etcetera, etcetera.

Again, Inca has no interest in your lands or any other lands in the region. We are fully content with our own lands, and still have territory on our homeland to settle. Indeed, just a few [turns] ago we settled a new city on Incaco, Pama, in the considerable wilderness territory of our central junglelands. We still have coastal waters and other lands promised to us to settle, and even have sold territorial rights to good southern lands to Rus, as can be seen by all. Were we truly interested in such expansion, we would have kept that for ourselves. Why sell off our own homeland and then turn around and take a bunch of useless islands in the far pacific? Your claims make no sense.

We respect Japan's claims and not yours, it is that simple. You are a subcontinental power, they are an island power, this makes sense to us.


Signed,

Mako Panuta

Sapa Chitcopi Incacona
Capaco, Empire of Inca

[India (DoE)]

You decry violence on Australia then say it is fitting when violence is done against the pacifists? It was not India that conquered Brisbane, it was Neandor. They then wished to sell the colony to us as it lay near our SETTLED colony on the first come first serve continent as you say it. It is not acceptable for Neandor to wage colonial war in Australia, but Japan should be allowed? On what basis? It is not allowed for India to buy territory taken from England by a 3rd party, but it is allowed for Japan to conquer and keep the same colony? Your logic seems tough to follow.

You say that India is a subcontinental power and must thus be limited to its subcontinent and there alone? So India can never be bigger than the 6 cities you think we should have? What if India says that Inca should not have any lands east of the Andes as Inca is coastal power not a jungle people. Your ideas of who and what "belongs" where is completely artificial. India is limited to a subcontinent and must thus expand out of the subcontinent as you have expanded from your coast. Where is the difference?

You previously said that China had a claim to the East Indies based on their possession of south-east asia. If we had cities in south-east asia does that mean that we would then also be entitled to the East Indies? What is a fair distribution of land if you look over the Asian continent? Why can many nations have overseas possessions and not India?

If you truly are not in conspiracy against us explain us as asked. And if Inca is so willing to sell weapons, what is the going price for a ship? We would be willing to buy many.

[Inca (DoE)]

An open letter to India:


Non-aggression pacts are de rigeur for arms deals, and a typical clause is a "no material support to hostile nations", so we cannot supply you at present due to treaty obligations. Had you come to us first, though, the situation may well be reversed. Japan, however, did come to us first, and the early bird and the worms and all that such stuff...

We do believe that parts of Asia that are not presently occupied by India are within its contestable "rightful lands" (and the afore-mentioned western Indies island), but you decided not to settle them, so that is your problem, not ours. We do not still complain that England has settled lands clearly within our "rightful territories", especially as certain lands they have settled have extremely precious resources that we haven't ourselves.

And the facts being as they are, uprooting Chinese people by the millions whose families have lived on and owned their respective lands for millennia is hardly just. Two wrongs, no rights, that sort of thing.

Good day, sirs.


Signed,

Mako Panuta

Sapa Chitcopi Incacona
Capaco, Empire of Inca