The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Toni]

Finally I may add that seeing the BtP Portugal being destroyed by BtP Rome is also ironic

Can you clearify the above india, you lost me there. Of course you know that i was Portugal in that game. But when did Rome destroy us? We had a war very early in the game, but the after we stayed friends throughout the game.

I get the ironic part that Rome, kicked/backstabbed my butt in DoC

(Portugal has abandoned us when we tried to kill rome to carry on his own vendetta.. Now He can see what kind of "friend" the BtP Rome player was )

Well i did not abandon anyone, when Portugal asked for help then during the Portugal/Roman war no one came to our aid. So i just returned the favor. And why should we have aidded anyone, we had a solid relation with Rome after our war.

[OzzyKP]

And, to butter you up, I must add that the game organisation, monitoring and arbitration were superb. We are so lucky as a group to have you managing all this and hosting as well! I think it is time to give up your day job now... do you have one? Or is baby off to the coal mines already

On top of all this you run Apolyton!

+1

[Robert]

-first, getting a letter from the BtP spartan player ending this way:

Originally Posted by Persia (DoC)
...

Your vassal,

Ahmedinejad of Iran

You're welcome
I hope btw that I did not patronise you too much in BtP

[Egypt (DoC)]

I don't know what you are all talking about, you've got it all wrong. Read the Sun: Greece was behind everything!

Thanks RP for the excellent moderation and all the work you did! I had lots of fun, thanks to everyone else as well!

[India (DoC)]

As Sparta you could trust my word, in this game you could not.

well, there is always a chance that your trustworthy leader gets murdered by a russian spy..

I am curious to see who is playing India by the way, any help please??

Ok, since most of us know who is who already (I knew Priest, Robert and Tony from quite early,+ those civs who blew their covers like Raz. St. Jon managed to elude me mostly because of the lots of OOC misinformations we got both from St. Jon and Inca)
so I can give you this big "hint":

I can agree that bringing ooc issues from one game to an other is a big no-no.. still.. there are things in this game which mean a great satisfaction to me, ironic stuff, you know

-first, getting a letter from the BtP spartan player ending this way:

...

Your vassal,

Ahmedinejad of Iran

-Second, using a massive air force advantage against the BtP roman player (He defeated us then mostly because only He had any airforce)

-Finally I may add that seeing the BtP Portugal being destroyed by BtP Rome is also ironic (Portugal has abandoned us when we tried to kill rome to carry on his own vendetta.. Now He can see what kind of "friend" the BtP Rome player was )

From this it should be easy to figure out who I am.. for those who played Btp anyway.

[Robert]

It was not a real effort by the lesser civs to bring down the leader. I blame you entirely now that you remind me of things

Thanks
It was quite a huge evil plot to accomplish.

For the record, I was really ok by you guys bringing down an Indian cultural city, but it was not my main purpose.

1. Get New India
2. Make India more angry at you then at me and maybe get even friendly relations with India
3. Get down the Shrine

@2: That's why I wanted to sign a peace with India that only included half of New India. It had no use for me to get whole of New India for 10 turns and then lose it again b/c of his huge invasion army.

Anyway, I believed that I could have a shot at the win if I would be able to get New India. For long I did not believe that he was that close to the cultural victory. I didn't know that he had like 6 GA ready.

Persia was already the biggest civ, and with NI we would have become the most productive civ. on the long term I could have won.
Because of all the wars I did not even build factories and coal plants in my cities till after the war with India! And b/c of Russia I didn't finish coal plants in most cities.

[deity]

I think Persia's actions proves my point that no real effort was made to bring India down because Persia sabotaged it too!

A real effort was made by England and Byzantium and Korea.
I don't understand what gives you the idea that Byzantium sabotaged it.

It was not a real effort by the lesser civs to bring down the leader. I blame you entirely now that you remind me of things

[Robert]

Well deity about the trust issue, in my case I would be more careful and i guess if i figure OOC the player in charge of a civ knowing him from before I would then have/have not good reasons to trust him.

If i have no idea who is playing a civ i would like to conduct bus with, oh well as you said i will double my defences.

It's not a 'trust' thing, as if the Byz player can't be trusted ooc.
It's a 'know the style' thing.

When I'm next to you I know that I should try to make good diplomatic deals with you and become friends with you and that you will then not invade me.

When I'm next to the Byzantine player I know that I have to keep my borders secured. (as when I'm next to the Russian player).

I also know that you are less eager to come to my aid in a huge war then the Byzantine player.

If you're next to me you have first to figure out the role I'm playing in the game, and then you have to decide on how to approach me. As Sparta you could trust my word, in this game you could not. Now I need to find something completely new for the next game

It's a difference of playing style.
And that's why anonimity is that cool, you don't know what player is next to you.

[Robert]

I don't think I did condone it but I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong and will go on record now and say that it was outside the player code

I think the Byz/Eng thing is far worse btw.

The Byz/Eng thing would have been equally worse if England had given it's army to Byzantium to invade India and then Byzantium would have used that English army to invade England, helped by India.

Now it doesn't even come close.
Now it's only A+B attack C, then when peace is signed A attacks B when B is weak.

[deity]

@Deity
Again, it's easy to say it was an easy victory for me, but I know better

It was easy, trust me

The only time you felt the heat was when you ooc posted and promptly got Mali and Native support on board...

imho

[Robert]

I think Persia's actions proves my point that no real effort was made to bring India down because Persia sabotaged it too!

A real effort was made by England and Byzantium and Korea.
I don't understand what gives you the idea that Byzantium sabotaged it.

Persia might not had cared about my shrine, but I still had to fight him because I did not want to lose New India. Persia likes to think that those pms helpe me in the defense.. well maybe a little..

A little was enough.
Sometimes you suspect something, but can't be sure.
To Persia it was only important that you KNEW that something was coming from the other side.

The first leak of info (by Darius) was more important then the last one.
The last one was only there to avoid that you might take the gamble to bring all bombers to New India at least for 1 turn.

It was a little, but a little was all I needed.
Ok, I needed more, I also needed a better god to improve my odds, that stupid Hastog is worth for nothing

[deity]

There's no double cross/backstabbing ever going to be even close to that backstabbing, and that one was back then totally acceptable by you, so why is this one not

I don't think I did condone it but I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong and will go on record now and say that it was outside the player code

I think the Byz/Eng thing is far worse btw.

[Toni]

From now on all players will double their defensive efforts, reducing their attack capability; and the likelihood of alliances ever working again is seriously diminished. Games will become more introverted if you can't trust allies

Well deity about the trust issue, in my case I would be more careful and i guess if i figure OOC the player in charge of a civ knowing him from before I would then have/have not good reasons to trust him.

If i have no idea who is playing a civ i would like to conduct bus with, oh well as you said i will double my defences.

[Toni]

I will remember this game, not because of my OOC problems with Byz, as we all know they will be forgotten.

But what I will remember is that I have never seen in all the diplo games I have played a civ with such a huge lead.

It felt good seeing such a well played strategy and game India, cheers to you for this

Yes yes, if we worked better together maybe we could have taken them down. But it didn't happen.

[India (DoC)]

@Deity
Again, it's easy to say it was an easy victory for me, but I know better

Persia might not had cared about my shrine, but I still had to fight him because I did not want to lose New India. Persia likes to think that those pms helpe me in the defense.. well maybe a little.. but truth is that thanks to the holy shrine I could see a big part of the world, (whole Egypt, Inca, and Korea. So I had an Idea what to expect and when)

I wrote before about some key moments what helped me. There are no wonders.. I used whatever I could.. or else I would had just dissapoint you and what is the fun in that?


I don't know what do you mean by "my floodplains" and GPs freely traded to me.. I had few floodplains and an owerall low food land, and I did not get GPs for free.
About building up in peace, thats true ofc, checked the powergraph every turn to see if my neighbours up to something.