The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[deity]

Diplo vets

I like it that ozzy put to rest the absurd concept of Diplo vet players and the connotations it had. We should stop using this expression as it has been well proven that the growing diplo group is open and honest in its dealings.

[deity]

India		mzprox*
Byzantium 	The Priest
Persia 		Robert Plomp
Natives 	?? (Hercules?)*
England 	Toni
Korea 		Rasputin (turns played by deity)
Mali 		?? (bamf226?)
Rome 		Jeroen Schweitzer*
Orb 		?? (suspect Black Knight 426)
Ottomans 	BranksDilly
Russia 		LzPrst (org. Heraclitus)*
Inca 		St Jon
Egypt 		Rempedaalops
Greece 		Hendriks de Infiedielen Dooder / deity*
Arabia 		WarningU2*

Wow!!

I so got this all wrong!

The only one I became confident about was Cyber but when I started subbing in December I was sure that Persia was The Priest.

Byzantium seemed too emotional and angry at times to fit the picture I had of The Priest (but maybe that's the effect Raz has on people!).

But then I thought Hercules or some other unknown to me was either Byzantium , England or Persia.

Cyber tried to trick us into thinking he was Mali so I guess I fell for that for a while.

As time went on Russia had lzPrst all over it. He's such a good writer from several games.

I was certain India was Toni until the intercept message a week or so back.

How did Japan from BtP do so well here? How did mzprox catapult his research so well? The only player I know who could do this was Toni so it's great that we have a growing stable of top diplo players. Even the ones outside of ozzy's list are great players and encourage all of you to keep playing diplo!

Well done all

I can't believe Toni and I (via Raz) actually allied. I knew I would do it one day but not here! Not now!

LOL

England seemed to be more like a nice Frank but I kept thinking maybe Hercules...

I got to thinking that maybe Byzantium was Cyber at one stage but...

So bamf226 was my old Celt buddy from Btp!! Hi ya!! You played pretty good here I think and are developing well.

I never picked St Jon as Inca. I hated Inca in this game but really like St Jon!!

Finally I have to comment on the progress of our host over the years. Cyber was a low level civ in HOTW5 and each game since then he has bettered himself to the point of being an equal top of the top players.

So this is encouragement to all the other players from Warning U2 and up that if you study the game hard you can be at the top. But of course we can all still have fun playing at any level. I really got a buzz playing the 6/7th civ and the 14/15th civ. One advantage of not being a top threat is that you can get espionage on everyone whenever you like

[deity]

Destiny of Empires!

DoC

DoD

DoE

Suggestion for the next diplo: Destiny of Empires !

[OzzyKP]

And then they would not have had to backstab me and destroy all my cottages and bring my economy back into the stone age

Why not do both?

[Robert]

In Iran fat hairy women are concidered to be extremely hot.
The fact that some people prefer clean-shaven thin women is only a matter of cultural influence. We in Persia/Iran are really turned off by such women. *shivers*

[Dubhghlas]

Sure it was!
I'm proud to be the only top civ that actually had real enemies

That's cause you weren't svelt and clean-shaven, like the rest of them. I notice the Egyptian Sun didn't even bother with pictures of Persian Hastogianistic women.

[Robert]

Sure it was!
I'm proud to be the only top civ that actually had real enemies

[Byzantium (DoC)]

But I thought that was fun!

[Robert]

And then they would not have had to backstab me and destroy all my cottages and bring my economy back into the stone age

[OzzyKP]

Yea, they should have.

[Robert]

I couldn't do anything about your cheat of the land deal at the time because I feared Persia was about to attack (and they did) and I was right about to hand control over to the next guy. But I told him (Lz) that you crossed the boundary of our agreement and I think he had razing that city and establishing a Russian city to replace it for much of the game.

I offered Russia to take that Ottoman city and sent a stack of 5 axemen in that direction. It was a part of the peace deal between Russia and Persia. (Russia handed the city over, it was not taken by force.)

But just when I was about to take that Ottoman city, Russia prefered peace with the Ottomans. Maybe Russia should back then have accepted the Persian help against the Ottomans.

[OzzyKP]

How you have the time and imagination to post such incredible story lines is amazing. A few non gamers I work with were actually reading the stories eagerly to see what would happen.

Awesome!

It is always great to have an audience for these games.

[OzzyKP]

Diplomacy/Measured War: When Russia razed my second largest city, I was done for. I never really understood why that was acceptable. In the beginning of the game we made a land agreement that split up our borders. I never lied to Russia but did not say all that I knew about the layout of the continent. The agreement meant it would be easier for me to settle more land, which I did. The razing of my city by Russia was basically the response to this treaty, which is why I don't see it as even. Russia had public sympathy from everyone from their bullying by Persia and somehow that spilled over to me?

As for the land agreement, I was running Russia at the time we signed that deal. From what I remember that river or those mountains were our dividing line and then you settled that city just on Russia's side of that boundary.

Russia was surrounded on three sides by other civs, so I decided to sign land deals with you and Britannia so I could expand in Persia's direction. Then of course Persia stole Russia's second city and you cheated on the land deal, so that kind of screwed Russia up. Especially when Persia, Britannia & Ottomans had plenty of other land to expand to, they all screwed over Russia.

I couldn't do anything about your cheat of the land deal at the time because I feared Persia was about to attack (and they did) and I was right about to hand control over to the next guy. But I told him (Lz) that you crossed the boundary of our agreement and I think he had razing that city and establishing a Russian city to replace it for much of the game.

[BranksDilly]

Well as my first Diplo game it was really a lot of fun and I hope to play many more!

Some things that were hard for me to understand were:

Trading: Like WarningU2 said, I never really understood the voucher system and wish there was a way to make it simpler.

Diplomacy/Measured War: When Russia razed my second largest city, I was done for. I never really understood why that was acceptable. In the beginning of the game we made a land agreement that split up our borders. I never lied to Russia but did not say all that I knew about the layout of the continent. The agreement meant it would be easier for me to settle more land, which I did. The razing of my city by Russia was basically the response to this treaty, which is why I don't see it as even. Russia had public sympathy from everyone from their bullying by Persia and somehow that spilled over to me?

@Russia

It was a great game to play and I'm not angry ooc at all! But ic yes! Just to clarify, I was never acting as a puppet to Persia, they did give me many techs and treats so as I stayed peaceful with them but no action I took against you was their idea or anything.

Secondly, you need to give me lessons on combat because you smoked me!!!

@Persia

I was not going to attack you at the end and neither Russia or Byzantines were even really trying to get me to. Russia at one point tried to recruit me but I said right away that I wouldn't. For one, ever since Russia razed my city I wanted SO bad to do the same to them. That meant I would never have a very strong alliance with them.

I was a little peeved when the Russians invaded me and you let them do it but only because I thought our alliance meant we would have some mutual defense.

@Rome

I really thought our relations were quite amicable. At one point after Russia razed my city and Anna Hatun was in power, she was quite blood thirsty. Your entire African colony would have been quite easy for me to take before you built any gunpowder units as I had a ton and you were only defending with macemen and such. But because of our little trades, especially the Galleons, I felt that in the rules of diplo this would not make sense or be fair.



I hope I can play another Diplo game with you all!

[WarningU2]

Thank you everyone for an excellent game. It was an honour to play in it. I very much enjoyed playing. I'm sorry I didn't post stories to everyone's satisfaction (as indicated by the scores in that category

As one of the bottom end civs I didn't understand the reaction when Greece and I went to war. Why England would side with Greece never made sense, when they weren't even in the alliance and we actually went to war against them much earlier. And then when Russia attacked me to make me see the error of my ways .. had it not been Byzantines and Greece (odd turnaround) helping me I would have been out.

How you have the time and imagination to post such incredible story lines is amazing. A few non gamers I work with were actually reading the stories eagerly to see what would happen.

I wonder if it would be easier to follow the stories if each civ had their own story board rather than be jumbled about? I also think that technology trading and the recording of it needs to be improved ... I grew hestitant to trade not knowing how many vouchers it would cost. Perhaps a no trade diplogame would even the playing field? If you would like me to work on panel to help keep trades all in a separate db I'd be happy to do so. Let me know. Again thanks for a great game.