The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Toni]

it all turned out that long sworn competitors deity and Toni were teaming up together against an enemy the both of them could not even contain

Yes me and Deity go way back, before the Diplo games we used to play the Aussie games. We have always had did competition against each other. Love the guy (Close friend), It is true that the good player group is growing much, but I can only say on thing you better not piss Deity in a game. Knowing that he will play in next Diplo, wow that gives me something to worry about having him around again

I would still bet on Deity vs whoever if given the same land start

[OzzyKP]

Maybe. Though since I have only played one full diplo game, 'vet' must be a pretty flexible category.

I prefer to think that it shows that all talk of 'vets' in a pretty dodgy attempt to try to pretend that a certain crowd 'own' the concept and are good (either in game or in votes) when the evidence doesn't really agree.

I think the real beauty of what some of you folks who have been playing a long time have created is that it is open to new people, not just open in theory but open in practice - both in-game and in votes old hands seem to have no real advantage over newcomers, which is really rare in games and a great acolade.

Hehe, that's the crux of the issue. The term vet was first used to describe certain experienced players who acted as some form of cabal to bend the rules for their own benefit and engineer victory every time. The person with this theory suggested that those who played by the rules in diplogames were suckers who were always crookedly out-maneuvered by cheating "vets".

I'm extremely grateful that your experience directly contradicts this person's theory.

[St Jon]

you have lost me there .....

i dont hate anon but i do see no reason for it especialy when palyers meet for beer and inform each other of who they are.

secondly the anon allowed people to bulyl korea with no justification.

if htere was no anon then it would be harder t odo that.

I think you misunderstand me here.

I know how much you contribute to a game, remember how keen I was to get you involved in DoC from the SetUp Thread, and really enjoy how much you give to the atmosphere.

The problem with breaking ANON is that whilst I can say what I like to Korea I cannot say it to Raz. I can be as rude and insulting to Korea as I wish, I can demean her leader and, within Forum decency rules, impugn his reputation and character. I can bully and harass Korea both openly and via PM but I cannot do such things to Raz.

Even though, very early on, I knew who were a lot of the players it did not alter the manner in which I spoke to them IG. I would never accuse Toni of committing unnatural acts with animals or having the moral standards of a Tom Cat on heat! The leader of of England is totally different.

It comes down to a simple desire of not wishing to hurt a real person's feelings. That is the importance of ANON play.

[Black Knight 427]

I had a small army hidden in my ships and was mass producing more. Had I had more time I could have given you a fight.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

You guys are now vets too!

Maybe. Though since I have only played one full diplo game, 'vet' must be a pretty flexible category.

I prefer to think that it shows that all talk of 'vets' in a pretty dodgy attempt to try to pretend that a certain crowd 'own' the concept and are good (either in game or in votes) when the evidence doesn't really agree.

I think the real beauty of what some of you folks who have been playing a long time have created is that it is open to new people, not just open in theory but open in practice - both in-game and in votes old hands seem to have no real advantage over newcomers, which is really rare in games and a great acolade.

[Persia (DoC)]

I have been monitoring your army all the time..... there was none!
How would you have invaded me?

[Black Knight 427]

So now the final question is there: Orb and Ottomans: would you really have been honest to your word and not have invaded me with the Byzantines and the Russians? (I suspected you would and did not build an extra defense against you guys) (though I did upgrade my armies in Sardis b/c I suspected the Russians to go there).

If given more time I would have invaded you even without Byzantines or Russians. I really wanted to attack you while you fought India but sadly my goals of stealing tech took too long.

[Robert]

Ok, voting starts now for April!

We vote for the events that happened in April.
I'm sure that we can all send in our votes during the next 4 days and not wait to long.
Unless someone asks for a delay, voting will end on April 14th.

Vote here: http://www.warner-home.com/docgame/DoC_Vote.html

[Robert]

Rate comments for Vote 7 (anonymous):

Russia of course a 7 for the very well written stories! They are a very good read, well phrased and worded! A very good read!
Egypt: The Sun is aweseme and funny! (7)
Byzantium: BBC: good find! well written and consistent (7)
Egypt/Byzantium: use blocktexts when writing magazines!!!!!
Inca: a 7 for attitude, being squeezed between all superpowers must not be a very nice experiment

Diplomacy: Persia and Russia are first rate; Rome, Korea, England, Egypt and Arabs all used diplomacy effectively.
Story: Persia and Russia are first rate story makers. Persia's stories between its own factions is not my preferred paradigm but it was so well done they got top marks. Russia too wrote stories unrelated to game play but the writing was of such a high standard and I enjoyed it immensely. Top marks also. Egypt's Sun is standout. Byzantium's copy using BBC news was a bit of a rip-off!
Attitude: Most civs showed excellent attitude to the game. India showed grreat responsibility to the game but lost a point because of ooc fair play complaints. Byzantium lost points for the back stab, as did England's response to the backstab. Korea would have rated higher if ic and ooc hadn't been so blurred. Rome and most civs further back maintained good to excellent attitudes.

ORB gets high Diplomacy even though we couldn't agree on the oil resource.
India, excellent as usual in diplomacy and attitude
Egypt could have received a higher Diplomacy rating has we agreed on compensation for the newly gained city
Russia gets high marks for private diplomacy with the Bank of Mali
Is Rome even in this game anymore? Low marks across the board

India and Persia and Byzantium Korea, and England: Man, this war was epic, you guys all did great, but I think the storylines by Persia and Byzantium deserve special mentioning. Brilliant stuff.
Russia: great storytelling, very good writing, really great reads.
Korea: despite the often disturbing negativity in the Org thread, you played a great game, and were an entertaining player.

[Robert]

Results for Month 7!


Month 07 General

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Month 07 Categories Diplomacy and Story

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Month 07 Categories Attitude and Gamescore

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[Robert]

India		mzprox*
Byzantium 	The Priest*
Persia 		Robert Plomp
Natives 	?? (Hercules?)*
England 	Toni
Korea 		Rasputin (turns played by deity)
Mali 		?? (bamf226?)
Rome 		Jeroen Schweitzer*
Orb 		Black Knight 426
Ottomans 	BranksDilly
Russia 		LzPrst* / ** (first 50 turns: OzzyKP)
Inca 		St Jon
Egypt 		Rempedaalops*
Greece 		Hendriks de Infiedielen Dooder / deity*
Arabia 		WarningU2*

[Robert]

Get Glohitia back
I know you're reading it mate
And you even commented!!

So Black Knight, once again we were neighbors
Good game! I have feared the entire game that Russia would invade Persia, together with Britannia and the Ottomans.

So every once in a while, when my suspects were rising again, I sent out a couple of very intimidating letters to the 3 of them first, and then after that I gave some rewards to Britannia and Ottomans for not doing it.

We were never really allied, but the relation between Britannia and Persia was always friendly and secure. From Britannia I feared the least. The Ottomans I feared may try to take my city of Sardis once. (which always was on their side of the Medinerranea.)

It was of ultra importance of me to get stable relations with the Ottomans and the Britannians. Russia was never going to work. I think the 3 of us succeeded in being able to trust each other till the end.
the hardest choice for me was to let the Russians invade the OTtomans. I really felt bad about that ooc, but I also felt bad about bullying Russia through the entire game.
I just did not want to dominate the continent and let nothing happen without my approval.

So now the final question is there: Orb and Ottomans: would you really have been honest to your word and not have invaded me with the Byzantines and the Russians? (I suspected you would and did not build an extra defense against you guys) (though I did upgrade my armies in Sardis b/c I suspected the Russians to go there).

[Robert]

Russia had an interesting history. The original player was supposed to be Hera, but I'm not sure he ever played them. I actually started them and did the first 50 or so turns myself (and was the top civ at the time!). I think I handed it over to Lz at that point, and soon after they got invaded by Persia.

Russia was the top civ back then.
And I was somewhere near the bottom. You can still see at the scoregraph what happened.

[OzzyKP]

Good game Black Knight

[Black Knight 427]

Orb ?? (suspect Black Knight 426)

No suspect, I am Orb/ Britannia/Dutch.