The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Inca (DoC)]

vote is over so i am only wondering how it will also make it different for me. 1 tech I got from old rule so will it now be better.

Robert please make it 24 hour clock as war happened this turn. Story will be written now.

[Robert]

I hereby release: civstatsscraper Beta!

http://plomp.eu/civstatsscraper/index.html (MSIE only!)

You may need to tweak some security settings on MS Internet Explorer for this to work.

Please read this carefully:

- fill out the 3 fields correctly! (no spaces! only numbers)
- start and end year must be an actual game year!
- other games can be applied (ie. Beyond the Pit) BUT know that civstats oftenly has corrupt years. I have removed the (2) corrupt years for DoC, for other games results may be abit weird b/c it will not ignore the corrupt years. (still gives good charts)
- After searching: click on a row in the table to REMOVE it from the results. After that presh "refresh chart" to update the charts.
- the number behind the civnames in the charts displays the number of turns this civ missed in the displayed period.
- If you want to submit a new search, reload the page first! Otherwise the results will be added to each other in very wrong way

Enjoy
It's beta though, there are many errors if you don't submit the correct info. (you can't break anything though)

[Robert]

With 11 'yes' vote the rule change has been accepted.
Contrary to what I said before, we will not apply this change immediately.

First we will debate and possibly vote on Korea's rule change suggestion.

[OzzyKP]

Suspicion might always be sensible, but cynicism doesn't help the game, and sorry Korea, as far as I can see your posts about 'the top 5' are just cynicism which don't fit the facts.

Well they are separate issues. I expect there will be an additional vote for whether to limit free trades based on points.

[Ottoman Empire (DoC)]

Ottoman votes yes due to Egypt's explanation.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Byzantium votes yes

(And I agree with India - all of us are capable of thinking what is best for the game, not just ourselves. As it happens I have benefitted very little from the 'free trade' rules - none in the first round, one in second and third - because I have found myself wanting the techs earlier than I would get them via free trade. Suspicion might always be sensible, but cynicism doesn't help the game, and sorry Korea, as far as I can see your posts about 'the top 5' are just cynicism which don't fit the facts. And as always to Egypt for expressing great sense not dominated by the in-game score chart - roll on the next game when we have modded it out of existance).

[Russia (DoC)]

russia votes yes.

[Robert]

@Ozzy: I guess so.

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Vote results so far:
Yes: (8) (53% of players, 88% of voters) )
- India
- Persia
- Egypt
- Arabia
- Britannia
- Rome
- England
- Mali

No: (6,66% of players, 11% of voters)
- Korea

[OzzyKP]

Question - will this take effect immediately?

[Mali (DoC)]

yes

[England (DoC)]

Yes

[OzzyKP]

I vote yes. (if I get a vote)

[Orb (DoC)]

I vote yes. I also think we should lower the civs needed to advance to the next age from 4 to 2.

[Persia (DoC)]

@Korea; here's a list of free techs all civs traded during the past couple of days:
(I based the list on civstats, it most probably contains some errors)

Greece:	3
Arabia:	1
Rome:	2
Egypt:	3
Inca:	-
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avg	1.8 per civ

Russia:	2
Britan:	2
Mali:	4
Ottom:	4
Nativ:	1
---------
	2.6 per civ

Korea:	-
Byzan:	1
Persia:	3*
Engl:	2
India:	1
---------
avg:	1.4 per civ


*Persia also traded a classical tech

Conclusion: the middle 5 civs benefit most from the free trade, the top-5 civs benefit the least.
Not to mention of course that it's very well possible that someone votes in such an ooc poll in a way that does not benefit them.

[Persia (DoC)]

@Arabia: it's only free tech trade for old techs, not for all techs

Egypt: +1