The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Orb (DoC)]

Hmmm, maybe it then was paper, but I don't remember knowing it could be traded. It's also possible of course that they learned paper that turn themselves.

but this is not about paper, it's about banking

We traded paper for banking. You trade screen came up before Rome's did.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Just goes to show that the current system isn't working if people don't even know what trades they have made

[OzzyKP]

They told me they got it from you. Trickster!

[Persia (DoC)]

Hmmm, maybe it then was paper, but I don't remember knowing it could be traded. It's also possible of course that they learned paper that turn themselves.

but this is not about paper, it's about banking

[Persia (DoC)]

Hmmm, maybe it then was paper, but I don't remember knowing it could be traded. It's also possible of course that they learned paper that turn themselves.

but this is not about paper, it's about banking

[OzzyKP]

It was paper. I offered paper to them the same turn (and they needed it) but your popup came first. So they got it from you (I don't know what you got from them), and afterwards they couldn't do a trade with me since they no longer needed paper.

[Persia (DoC)]

I have not traded paper to Britannia.
I think it was philosophy.

[OzzyKP]

(And without wanting to get at poor persia, I think he illustrates the weakness in RP's argument. Persia was saying "We all need to use the system more clever" but then finds out he has been completely dense in not realising banking and paper are medieval. So if even a very clever and successful player like persia can't really 'be clever' with the current rules, I think we change them rather than saying 'the rules are good if only we were all geniuses').

Poor Persia is being deceptive. They know quite well those techs are available for free trade, they offered paper to Britannia as soon as they became available for trade. And messed up my trade.

[Egypt (DoC)]

lol@egypt

Russia quotes Dostojevski, Egypt quotes the Simsons

SimPsons...It's pronounced Simpsons... Simpsons.

Let's vote y'all!

[Robert]

Anybody else has something to say on the free-tech-trade issue, or can I start the vote?

[India (DoC)]

You see India - being friendly and trustworthy rather than being a warmongering vampire queen demanding world capitulation - can bring rewards. You should try it

Nah.. I've been told vampires are popular novadays.. but you know what? alright, I go back to plan A. Lets make peace and sing together.. this evilish madness was clearly a mistake, I didn't mean to... So from now on no big evil India, but a small lovely country. Sha'Tao will be the religion of LOVE, no one would resist it, but if they do we will still love them and leave them be..

And if you happen to see us building rocket silos you should not think of any bad.. most likely we just preparing some fireworks for the next festival..really.. *try not to laugh*

[Byzantium (DoC)]

I agree with Ozzy basically. I think it was my suggestion a while ago which he refers to in 1951 that we should just go for free trade for these techs.

I think we have to be clear as to the point of it, and not get distracted by secondary effects.

The way I see it that point is to put a floor underneath the degree of technological division that can emerge between the most advanced and less advanced nations. We want the less advanced nations to these techs.

Secondary effects are the fact that advanced nations may plan their tech path to avoid one or two and get them free, and the possibilities of the trade in these techs contributing to some good diplo (which is in effect what RP is arguing).

But for me the secondary effects don't matter much in comparison. Yes we all have to accept that the advanced nations gain a little. Yes it ends up being an completely ooc mechanism. But I don't care - we just need a system which guarentees the nations get the techs. And they way we do that is make them freely tradeable.

In terms of implementation, we shouldn't change this immediately because people will have planned on the basis of the current rules. However, we shoudl change it on the next era transition. So when 4 nations become modern, all the techs from ancient through to renaissance become completely freely tradeable.

That is my proposal. Its not perfect, but I believe it delivers the main thing we want, which is probably the best we can do.

(And without wanting to get at poor persia, I think he illustrates the weakness in RP's argument. Persia was saying "We all need to use the system more clever" but then finds out he has been completely dense in not realising banking and paper are medieval. So if even a very clever and successful player like persia can't really 'be clever' with the current rules, I think we change them rather than saying 'the rules are good if only we were all geniuses').

[Persia (DoC)]

I can confirm what Byzantium says.
Being friendly does pay off indeed.

Now be gone.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Yeah, it was kinda unexpected anyway that we so soon entered the industrial age.. who would had thought that Byzantium so easily share its best technology even with Persia? I wonder

You see India - being friendly and trustworthy rather than being a warmongering vampire queen demanding world capitulation - can bring rewards. You should try it

[Persia (DoC)]

lol@egypt

Russia quotes Dostojevski, Egypt quotes the Simsons