The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Egypt (DoC)]

[India (DoC)]

Yeah, it was kinda unexpected anyway that we so soon entered the industrial age.. who would had thought that Byzantium so easily share its best technology even with Persia? I wonder...

[Persia (DoC)]

Ah, banking and paper are also free for trade. Good to know.... 3 TURNS AGO!!!
*kills Bad'Az*

[Korea (DoC)]

i think we have to work out why this rule was put in place.

if it is jsut to give the smaller civs in score a boost to catch up then that not owkring at moment, as most people trade with the bigger civs so they get boost in score too.

i still beleive no one should trade with the bigger civs. (bigger as in score)

but i also beleiuve that no change t othe rule should be done till next game. too late now.

Korea has only managed one free trade all game, but depsite tihs we have nearly all the techs from the old eras shorlty after the new eras come as it taks jsut 2-3 turns to reasearch.

[OzzyKP]

That's exactly what people are discussing now, haha.

And I used "small civ" in place of saying "civ that still needs techs that I can trade them"

[Orb (DoC)]

@Egypt
@Ozzy, I'm not a small civ I'm just laying low.

Why can't we use gold to buy techs from eachother.

[OzzyKP]

Quite possibly everyone has everything or will have, what I did not like is the race feeling to get the techs asap before it's too late.
I'm not saying that everyone should get every tech for free, they still need to find a trade partner who can give them the techs (don't forget no tech brokering so you can get the tech only from those who had researched it)

Current model: race for the techs, planning is a possibility but what we see is mostly random trades with anyone we can

proposed system: no need to hurry, if your friends have the tech you need they can give it to you even if you cant offer as many tech they have. planning still usefull who research what since no tech brokering so only researched techs can be traded away.

There were several techs I didn't have and only a few techs I had that others needed. The only civ that had banking who I could trade with was Britannia, the only old tech they needed from me was paper. I made the offer, and they actually came online while I was. But the pop-up window from Persia came first, so they traded for paper. Now I had nothing to give Britannia. Since they were the only small civ who could give me banking I was now out of luck.

Also, no small civ has philosophy. All the civs who have philosophy don't need anything from me.

[Persia (DoC)]

What is it, Egypt, Nucular or nucular?

@Robert: Persia failed to get 2 techs last round and 1 tech this round.
Save Persia, make all obsolete techs free!

[Egypt (DoC)]

Nucular. It's spelt nucular...

[Orb (DoC)]

If your going to make old tech completely free why stop there. Why not just let all the techs free so we can all trade with India, get to modern times, and blow eachother up into a million little pcs with nukes.

[Persia (DoC)]

I agree that the current rushed situation is not fun.
I just think it needs time to all of us to get used to it. We all need to use the system more clever.

[India (DoC)]

Quite possibly everyone has everything or will have, what I did not like is the race feeling to get the techs asap before it's too late.
I'm not saying that everyone should get every tech for free, they still need to find a trade partner who can give them the techs (don't forget no tech brokering so you can get the tech only from those who had researched it)

Current model: race for the techs, planning is a possibility but what we see is mostly random trades with anyone we can

proposed system: no need to hurry, if your friends have the tech you need they can give it to you even if you cant offer as many tech they have. planning still usefull who research what since no tech brokering so only researched techs can be traded away.

[Robert]

1. thus civs must organize themselves better and anticipate on the free trades! Make the deals in advance.

2. Then they go to another small civ. Or better: execute #1 better and plan the research in advance.
When I was in the game last turn, almost all civs had medieval techs to offer to me. And the ones that did not most probably had some to offer to others.

but let's see, is there any civ right now that doesn't have all ancient/classical/medieval techs yet? And if so, which ones?

[India (DoC)]

The reason is that if you make 'old techs' freely tradable, you make smaller civs dependant on the bigger ones (because smaller civs will get the desired techs only from their master if they're good)

I think this is wrong, because:

1, we saw that everyone trades with anyone like a mad just not to miss the chance (the best way to do it to send as many trade offer as you can and see who will accept it)

2, no matter how good boy is the small civ, the "master" only can give him tech if the small civ too have something to offer, and quite often it's not the case.

[Robert]

To require a backwards civ without much tech to have tech to get more tech makes it difficult to move up

That's why the small civs should do better planning!
If 4 small civs all research 1 tech, they can share these 4 techs with each other in the current system.

Making things more simple is always less fun! (otherwise we would be playing a 3rd person shooter, not a 1 year lasting civ4 diplo game!)

And last but not least: in the current system the big civs need the small civs as much as the small civs need the big civs.
It's not charity. It's a fair trade. The big civs won't get the desired techs if he's not good to his allies, or if he has no allies at all. (and if all civs play this wisely!)