The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[Robert]

Korea: don't make me moderate your posts as an Apolyton Admin.
Watch your language, don't make it personal, etc.

And as a game host I ask you to contribute in a constructive way to this debate. You certainly have a point, but you burry it under piles of harsh words which only results in people not listening to you, which is most probably not what you want.

Regarding your question, this rule was made to prevent civs from falling too far behind because of the voucher system.
The rule was made and agreed upon by all players before anybody of us knew what their position was going to be in the game.

I give you an opening to discuss your ideas. Eventhough I am a bit irritated by the fact that you were, on purpose, not a part of the rule discussion before the game started.
link: http://apolyton.net/forums/showpost....&postcount=215

Use your opening wise and discuss the topic, rather then insult the players.
Like other players should not insult you either.

[Korea (DoC)]

if you read my post , which you skipepd through,

you would read i said that is how many were posted, so i am 100% correct

i didnt claim you havent helped outher civs so getof youe FKn high horse,

what i have made clear is that this rule was suppsoedly put in palce to aid the lower scored civs to get techs, where as this is not shown to be true

2 of the top 3 civs have gained the most free ones,

so if you havent posted all ytour free trades it is even more than 7 fre techs you gained whislt somne have gained as few as none or one or two

so you cna caryone and pretend i am bad mouthing players , but the rule allows bigger civs to skip ahead on there tech research knowing they cna pikc up thje missing ones later.

if we simply playing to see woh is best palyer then this is ok,

but again i thoguht this rule was brought in for other reasons


i await RP and the others to acknoeledge wh this rule was made before they make it any differnet. some people have voted yet to this change i beleive without taking into account the why of the rule.

This type ofgame DIPLO is meant to be differnet , rules put in palce that are meant to be OOC conditions for techs and aid , rules there to simply make everyone have a chance to get the tecjs no mater there ability.

so please india and persia stop hiding behind the oh KOREA is crazy and picking on me, the facts are there. and till RP tells me this rule is not meant to be here for the lower civs but is just a way for free trade of techs i will not stop my campaign to prevent it changing.

[Persia (DoC)]

7 techs? During the last round or during the entire game? Wrong in both cases.
And maybe I just report my trades better then others.

Anyway, I don't research techs I don't need (literacy, aesthetics, drama) and trade them for free when there's an opportunity.
In exchange I gave important techs like philosophy.

Philosophy for Literacy..... that certainly helps the smaller civs.
It's not the number that matters but the content of the trade.

(And I have given 2 or 3 vouchers to other civs as well. I really dislike the way Korea talks about other players.)

[OzzyKP]

btw, Greece is still not consistently taking their turns.

[Korea (DoC)]

It would not be fair to shut off a civ from free trades just because they are higher up in score. Everyone should get to have free trades regardless of their score.

i ws under the imporession that this rule on free trading w3as only put in to help the lower score civs, if i am wrong in the origina lintention then i apologise.

As noticed it makes no difrenvce to me. I research my own techs and just get on with it.

But if this rule is to help smalelr not larger civs then it isnt working...

[OzzyKP]

Question - will this take effect immediately?

@Ozzy: I guess so.

With 11 'yes' vote the rule change has been accepted.
Contrary to what I said before, we will not apply this change immediately.

I dunno about everyone else, but I'm in favor of applying it immediately.

[Orb (DoC)]

If you really want to help smaller civs how about handing out some more vouchers.

[Orb (DoC)]

It would not be fair to shut off a civ from free trades just because they are higher up in score. Everyone should get to have free trades regardless of their score.

[Korea (DoC)]

you ask why i didnt except that the top tech leaders can freely trade with others. hmmmmmmmmmm


th free tech trading should be done between the lower civs .. the top 5 and yes currently i am one of them, should recieve nothing free.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Thanks Korea for the figures.

They are significant - but show that it is a very mixed picture. Some of the so called more advanced nations - England Korea and Byzantium, Korea and England espcailly, have not gained much from the free trade rules. Others Persia and India have. I don't blame them for using the rules. Some smaller nations have done well e.g. Egypt and Rome while others have not.

Definitely shows why that change we have just voted for was needed. Which is why I voted for it - and everyone else except for ... oh except for Korea.

Must admit I'm slightly confused on that one. But thanks for putting the figures up - they make interesting reading.

[Korea (DoC)]

cant hate RP he will Ban us from game..

[OzzyKP]

A hate Persia vendetta.

[Korea (DoC)]

Here are the full list of free techs as posted in the thread

Persia 7
Native america 7
india 6
Britt 5
Egypt 4
Mali 4
Rome 4
greece 3
Byz 3
russia 3
ottomans 3
inca 2
arabia 2
Eng 1
Korea 0

Two of the top three civs have got the biggest reward from the current system

And this is not a HATE INDIA vendetta that somwe thik, which is why i post hte numbers to show PERsia is biggest Free trade recevier.

But seems you guys rather listne to others so i know this wont sway you atall. but at least the facts are up

[Robert]

Because of the Peru/Egypt war there's now a 22h (24h) turn timer.
All please finish your turn asap.

Turn order:
1. Egypt
2. Peru (Inca)

[Korea (DoC)]

The truth will come out in the end...