HOTW XII Diplogame Organization Thread. Part 2

[Heraclitus]

Healthy attitude

[Diplo France]

Originally posted by Diplo Inca
Yes I agree the technological gap will only widen! I am open to solutions.

Currently the only way i see is to gift techs to Russia?

Say what you think of my two proposals.

Especialy the Voucher system.

[Diplo Inca]

Well the two proposals are good.

If Russia is happy with the Voucher system I'm more then happy to vote for it. Still confused how it works!

Some help PLEASE!!

So for example say Inca has only two trades left (which is true) I can trade my rights to trade twice to Russia for something else other then tech?

Please clearify this for stupid me

I agree with Russia I will hate to see freebies given to weaker civs as well - so this Voucher system has much merits I guess.

Whatever makes and helps us increase more diplomacy and negotiations I AM ALL FOR IT

having fun having fun having fun having fun having fun having fun OUR GOAL

[Diplo Inca]

I've got to catch up on it hardcore

Just IMAGINE for a sec - what great stories you can post for us Russia. I have been waiting now 6 weeks to see your creativity.

I know you CAN

[Diplo France]

Originally posted by Diplo Inca
Well the two proposals are good.

If Russia is happy with the Voucher system I'm more then happy to vote for it. Still confused how it works!

Some help PLEASE!!

So for example say Inca has only two trades left (which is true) I can trade my rights to trade twice to Russia for something else other then tech?

Please clearify this for stupid me

I agree with Russia I will hate to see freebies given to weaker civs as well - so this Voucher system has much merits I guess.

Whatever makes and helps us increase more diplomacy and negotiations I AM ALL FOR IT

You don't want to trade your rights since you only have the right to trade 4 techs. But maybe Russia would offer its right to trade two techs in exchange for a tech from you.


If you made that trade you will be able to trade 3.
But for Russia it would be like it traded 2 techs.


Clear?


It works just like the 10 tech limit, the only difference is that you can give someone your right to trade tech. It helps civs who would like to trade but have nothing to trade.

[Diplo France]

So if I understand you right, the current Voucher vote tally is.

Yes

France
Inca
Russia

No
-

[Diplo Inca]

Yes Russia was nice enough to clearify it on msn - Yes i am ok with the voucher system.

Inca has decided to trade Russia techs and get other things in return. Someone maybe else will use the voucher system.

Russia has other things to offer Inca currently which we are interested in!

[Diplo France]

Originally posted by Diplo Inca
Someone maybe else will use the voucher system.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. We have all have to agree the system is valid before anyone uses it to trade tech trading rights. Everyone needs to have a say.

If you mean another game, I ask why not in this one. Even if you can make a few trades with Russia withouth the system this will not help them 400 years from now nor will it help the other weak players.

[Diplo Inca]

Inca is ok with using the voucher system

[Diplo France]

ok good

So people who haven't said anything:

Mali
Carpathia
America (Ozzy)
Mongolia
Ottoman
Holland

TELL US WHAT YOU THINK!

[Diplo America]

I'm not entirely clear what the voucher system is.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Diplo America
I'm not entirely clear what the voucher system is.

Ozzy or default America?

Well I suppose it doesn’t matter. I'll PM diplo France to explain it further.

The way I understand It, is that it works just like the 10 tech rule. The only difference is that you can trade your rights to trade techs too.




Let’s say I give 5 techs in trade.
I give Korea the right to trade 2 techs.
This means I have 3 tech trades left.


Korea gave 7 techs.
It has 3 tech trades left.
It receives the right to trade two techs from me.
It now has the right to trade 5 techs.

[Diplo America]

So if Korea gives you 4 techs in exchange for your two tech trade vouchers, how would that work?

Would they have 1 tech trade left at the end of it?

Or if Korea gives one tech to Ethiopia for one tech trade voucher, then Korea would gain one trade and lose one trade (for giving the tech to Ethiopia). So basically they'd just be giving one tech away for free and not really get anything for it?


Also... why don't any icons show up for me? The forum looks much different.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Diplo America
So if Korea gives you 4 techs in exchange for your two tech trade vouchers, how would that work?

That would be a foolish trade. Since it Korea would have a net loss of tech trading rights.

Originally posted by Diplo America

Or if Korea gives one tech to Ethiopia for one tech trade voucher, then Korea would gain one trade and lose one trade (for giving the tech to Ethiopia). So basically they'd just be giving one tech away for free and not really get anything for it?

Yes, it would be a kind of a charity deal. But Korea wouldn't be punished by loosing future tech trades, since it would get a new tech voucher.

Such a one tech for one voucher deal need not be charity, you can offer other stuff besides the voucher like gold, cities, ect. stuff you might trade for tech if there was no 10 tech rule.



This system is meant to help weaker civs, and give civs who need more tech trades an opportunity to buy them from other civs.

Originally posted by Diplo America

Also... why don't any icons show up for me? The forum looks much different.

I'm sorry I don't quite understand what you mean.

[Diplo America]

Well in that case, I vote against the voucher system. It doesn't seem to be making a big change and could end up defrauding small civs even more. Small civs aren't really giving anything, they are just allowing big civs to give tech charity without hurting themselves (but hurting the small civs instead). So if we want to just do charity, lets do charity.

I think I prefer the alternate plan where by the smallest/weakest civ every round could get a tech from someone without it counting against the total.