HOTW XII Diplogame Organization Thread. Part 2

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Diplo America
Well in that case, I vote against the voucher system. It doesn't seem to be making a big change and could end up defrauding small civs even more. Small civs aren't really giving anything, they are just allowing big civs to give tech charity without hurting themselves (but hurting the small civs instead). So if we want to just do charity, lets do charity.

I think I prefer the alternate plan where by the smallest/weakest civ every round could get a tech from someone without it counting against the total.

Actualy you are wrong, it would help the little civ that can't has lots of spare tech trades and nothing to trade. It also won't be used for charity so much as it will be used for trading tech for something that isn't tech in addtion to the tech trade.

It also has backward compatibility with the 10 tech rule.



It would also allow us to do the charity thing more effecitvely if we wanted to. It would make it much easier to understand.


So you for now support the second proposal?

[Diplo France]

For Voucher:

Incas
Russia
France

For "Charity":

America

Are quiet so far:

Mali
Carpathia
Mongolia
Ottoman
Holland


BTW We can combine vouchers with the weekly vote of charity.

[Diplo Inca]

Diplo America are you back? if so please talk to Ozzy.

[OzzyKP]

We talked. I sure don't mind having my Saturday nights back. He can have America, no problem.

[Diplo Mali]

OOC: Well, I don't mind having Diplo America back-just so long as I don't have to renegotiate all the past agreements I made with Ozzy. That would kind of suck .

Also, can someone quickly give a rehash of the system being proposed to replace the 10-tech cap? I missed a lot of it and rarely have the time to go over every single post.

Mansa Sari

[Diplo Inca]

To clarify I am ok for both voucher and charity system! So put my vote on the two.

[Diplo Mali]

Actually, I think both the voucher and the charity system could work well, but my preference is the voucher.

Mansa.

[Diplo Holland]

I don't like rule changes mid game on principle. It's unethical. And should only be decided unanimously not by voting. You start a game with a basic agreement - you play it out and discuss for future games.

But I better go back over the thread as I haven't read it all yet. As you can see from my earlier postings I'm very sympathetic to civs falling behind but would rather help out within the agreed constraints of this game.

[Diplo Holland]

I think more importantly we should work out the game start time for this week or we'll screw the whole session with mix ups.

USA is now ON Daylight time
Europe is on normal time I think?
Australia is still on Daylight time for a few weeks I think.

So?

What is the start time this week?

Given Russia's issues with working I can only see it starting an hour earlier for non USA players.

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The same will apply to Europe when they go to Daylight time.

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For the Aussies, when they go to normal time, the game start time will then be 2 hours earlier.

[Diplo France]

Didn't we agree that Russia would have Nols as a sub in the last hour?


BTW Great to see America back.

[Diplo France]

For Voucher:

Mali
Incas
Russia
France

For "Charity":

America
Inca

Undecided:
Holland

Are quiet so far:

Carpathia
Mongolia
Ottoman



BTW Holland we are only making this vote to see which of the two has a better shot at consensus. Anyplayer can veto the change to a voucher system or charity, but all the votes matter, and the player will have to explain why he thinks the new rule is worse.

And the Voucher system is backwards compatible with the 10 tech rule, all it does is allow you to trade the right to trade tech (giving the other player a "tech trade voucher")

Charity, is a proposal to have a weekly vote on which civ can get one tech in a trade without using up a tech trade right of the guy whos giving the tech.

I prefer Voucher since many already don't bother to vote on score. Also if we adpot the voucher system and see that it doesn't go far enough we can add charity to it just by alloting an extra trade right by vote.

[Diplo Russia]

I would like to stress I am completely against Charity.

That's just me, but like I said, I don't like handouts. We have enough of that nonsense in this country. . .

[Diplo America]

That is my point. The vouchers aren't much different from charity. Just more complicated.

[Diplo Inca]

All have good points! Speaking only for myself I will trade my techs to smaller civs for other things then technology from now on. This will certainly aid them.

So new systems wouldn't change anything for me. I have already roughly finilized my last two tech deals.

[Diplo Inca]

So about tomorrow's game start!!

What do we do?

Now that US players have daytime savings that means for us starting 1hr later and finishing at 4am.

As deity suggested do people want to start 1hr earlier to make up for this late start for US players?

That will mean US start midnight

That means EU players need to wake up at 5am

Aussies start (Deity 3pm) and (Trev and Marcus 2:30pm)

I’ve already spoke to America and Russia the late start hr 1am is very hard on them (I presume Carpathia as well)

SO say what you think – BUT REMEMBER SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A COMROMISE HERE