History of the World XI [Diplomacy Game] [Organization II]

[bantams]

Bantams thats me folks will be available to sub this friday if needed any where will be fine i wanna kill germany though so the nearer the better

[Frank Johnson]

Gee more meta gaming. Joy.

[Robert]

Originally posted by bantams
Bantams thats me folks will be available to sub this friday if needed any where will be fine i wanna kill germany though so the nearer the better

Hi there!
Great that you do wanna sub!

We may need a sub for Aussie_Lurker!
If he shows up you should sub for England, and if he also shows up you sub for Russia.

Don't sub with pre-defined hate feelings towards one or another civ though

[Asmodeous]

I fully endorse Ozzy's point system. That's pretty slick.

I would say that you should add further levels to the religion though, you should give 10 points for 50% distribution of a religion, for instance, and another level for 75%. It's incredibly hard to do without some serious diplomatic work (or forced conversions!) and it makes the concept of Holy Wars actually worth something in the grand scheme, and may be a good way to push more into CS' idea of "same-religion alliances" without "forcing" people into it, so to speak.



Me.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Bantums, if you do sub for me, its very important that you get in touch with me to discuss tactics & strategy first-or else it will totally mess up the storyline I have been putting together. Indeed, I have already been in discussion with someone else about subbing for me-so you will most likely sub for England or Russia.

Aussie_Lurker.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Asmodeous
I fully endorse Ozzy's point system. That's pretty slick.

I would say that you should add further levels to the religion though, you should give 10 points for 50% distribution of a religion, for instance, and another level for 75%. It's incredibly hard to do without some serious diplomatic work (or forced conversions!) and it makes the concept of Holy Wars actually worth something in the grand scheme, and may be a good way to push more into CS' idea of "same-religion alliances" without "forcing" people into it, so to speak.



Me.

Thanks.

And good ideas.

Though getting up to 50% or 75% is pretty much impossible in a game like this. Unless we use the inquisition mod that allows players to remove religions from cities you'll never see numbers like that except very early in the game.

But I'm glad you like the system.

[deity]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Ah, diplogames, how I love thee.

On the tech gifting thing...

I'm a bit unclear about the circumstances of Toni's tech gifting. I just skimmed the last 3 pages. But I think one example I heard is that Deity was inventing Civil Service (or something like that) and when his civ went AI Toni gifted the tech to the AI in order to prevent Deity from researching it himself and trading it to his allies. Is that correct? If so that is a pretty severe exploit and cheat imho.

Hi ozzy and welcome back to the thread

The above is not a cheat, it was a clever strategy by Frank and Toni. You need to re-read the thread to understand the entire situation. Note that the discussion in the thread is not just about cheating so much as discussion based on Franks original post about justifying domination victories in diplo games.

On the other hand, the other example I think I heard is that Frank was planning to go to war with the Russians and Toni gifted a tech to them to upgrade their military. Was there no owner of the civ? Was it understood to be a vacant AI civ that wouldn't have a human returning to it?

This is a [that word]. Toni should have known better as a semi-vet diplo player because we discussed it quite a lot in HOTW7. I'm bothered he has held firm and not aplogised for this.

Russia was AI for the last 2 sessions with no clear idea of any human returning. Therefore no clear owner of the civ.

It is obvious to me that Toni deliberately gifted the AI Russia techs to thwart any military threat to himself. It is good strategy except that it's a [that word] - plain and simple.

Toni, did you contact Russia to do this and did you ask the AI to attack Germany?

[Asmodeous]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


Thanks.

And good ideas.

Though getting up to 50% or 75% is pretty much impossible in a game like this. Unless we use the inquisition mod that allows players to remove religions from cities you'll never see numbers like that except very early in the game.

But I'm glad you like the system.

Which I was actually wondering about, tbh. I would think an Inquisition type thing would be a great addition to a game that is supposed to be realism-oriented. Especially for countries that are theocratic, although organized religious types would, too.

Eh? Eh?

Me.

[Toni]

Russia was AI for the last 2 sessions with no clear idea of any human returning. Therefore no clear owner of the civ

Deity this is what mr Lin posted i think 2 weeks ago.

Oct 26Next session = abesnt
Nov. 2= playing
Nov 9=playing
Nov. 16= playing
Nov 23= possibly abesnt
And (if they come to exist) i will be able to play MOST December sessions.

England to be vasalised or integrated with Portugal

Sorry deity but az Ozzy said clearly:

On the other hand, if the civ was understood as vacant and not expecting a human to return to it, and if all the players decided it was open season of a sort, then it would be perfectly ok

You can't decide and go and take over an AI before all players agree on it.

[Robert]

Toni: MrLincoln had said that he would play the 19th, and he didn't.

And since MrL only played 1 session in the past 9 weeks, you can't claim to have very good human relations with Russia.

I can't really say that I'm happy with Mr.Lincoln's participation. He's obviously interested in the game, and excited about it. But he joins games he actually can't fit into his schedule, and once in a while he posts that he can't play, and if he says that he can play, he doesn't show up in 50% of the cases.

I'm sorry Mr.Lin, but your record is defenitely not good.

[Robert]

Regarding England being vassalized by Portugal, I think Deity just wanted to put that up for debate.

I don't think it's a good idea if not for pure imaballance reasons.
It should be American
After all England is a colony of America anyway

[deity]

Originally posted by Toni
Sorry deity but az Ozzy said clearly:
You can't decide and go and take over an AI before all players agree on it.

Certainly I agree this would be good form but it is NOT a rule. You've got a nerve Toni.

LOL!

[deity]

BTW, what do ALL the players say about Portugal taking over England?

(I note that Toni took ut a Rme AI in HOTW7 that rocketed him to the top - not sure what discussion was had over that?)

[deity]

And no one opposed Maecus attack on England!

So I say I'm not opposed either...

You can't argue it both ways ya bloody galahs!

[deity]

On the one hand you gift military techs to the AI Russia hoping they attack Portugal or Germany; then say we can't attasck AI!

Give us break!