Sigh.... Still no word on another patch.

[jkp1187]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
You're the one who seems to enjoy the cartoon game more than the rugged, far more attractive look of Civilization 3. Cartoons have their rightful place on Sunday morning kids channels, not on my PC.

When many people grow up they put childish things (such as games) behind them. I'm afraid all of us are confessing to more than a little childishness just by routinely surfing this website.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by jkp1187


When many people grow up they put childish things (such as games) behind them. I'm afraid all of us are confessing to more than a little childishness just by routinely surfing this website.

WTF! I don't surf this site I just post random stuff anywhere on poly I can.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


There is no corruption in civ4, it has overflow, unit promotions, civics instead of goverments, great people,...

Unit promotions are stupid since the AI caan't use them. It also introduces a lot of micromanagement for little benefit. Same for great people. Corruption, whatever, I'm sure if you cared you could edit this in Civ 3. Governments in Civ 4 are nice, but this is a pretty minor feature that doesn't justify a sequel.

[eris]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
You're the one who seems to enjoy the cartoon game more than the rugged, far more attractive look of Civilization 3. Cartoons have their rightful place on Sunday morning kids channels, not on my PC.

No, no. I am the one who prefers the cartoons over rugged, attractive looks. Well, maybe not the only one. As someone whose children have pronounced as having never grown up, I welcome little cartoons on my PC. I don't welcome it when the other little cartoon units beat up on my cartoon units, but I have answers for that!

On Topic: Even as a loving, loyal fan, I find the long patch time a matter of concern. I have Bhruic's unofficial patch and love the work done, so I am not unhappy, just concerned. Still, for a loving, loyal fan, that's a big move, one that shouldn't happen.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


Unit promotions are stupid since the AI caan't use them. It also introduces a lot of micromanagement for little benefit. Same for great people. Corruption, whatever, I'm sure if you cared you could edit this in Civ 3. Governments in Civ 4 are nice, but this is a pretty minor feature that doesn't justify a sequel.

Cottages, workshops and the resource specfific improvements.


Settlers and workers consume food instead of costing you population.


Better AI.

[Heraclitus]

Two plausible models for economy:


The cottage economy

and

The specialist economy


In civ 3 you just mined the hills and irrigated the grasslands.

[Wiglaf]

Cottages, workshops and the resource specfific improvements.

More micromanagement, and not very creative. They really should move beyond the tile-based system in favor of something less gamey.

The AI's not much better either especially before BTS. The diplomacy is still non existent. And how is the settler/worker improvement worthy of a $50 sequel.

The games are so similar, only hardcore nerds who mastered the ins and outs of Civ 3 could possibly call these minute improvements worth $50.

[Ming]

Let's see... Civ 3, a non functioning Live MP version.
Civ 4... a great live MP version.

That alone is worth the money.

And as far as the differences between the games... anybody that can't see the significant differences has obviously not played either game much.

While you are welcome to your opinion, it's a bad troll at best

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


Unit promotions are stupid since the AI caan't use them. It also introduces a lot of micromanagement for little benefit. Same for great people. Corruption, whatever, I'm sure if you cared you could edit this in Civ 3. Governments in Civ 4 are nice, but this is a pretty minor feature that doesn't justify a sequel.

The AI uses unit promos fine, and it introduces a more flexible way to play war.

You can not like Civ4 all you want, but it's dramatically different from Civ3 in many important ways, please don't imply it has much similarity to Civ3...

[Virulent]

It's kind of sad that 3.13 ended up adding a new bug for every 3-4 things that it fixed. If that never happened then we might have not even needed another patch.

[Wiglaf]

The problem is the AI doesn't pay for promotions. How is that fine? It often selects inappropriate ones as well.

Multiplayer, I'm sure Civ 4 is better since Civ 3 had none for a while.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
The problem is the AI doesn't pay for promotions. How is that fine?

Uhhhh... what are you talking about. Nobody pays for promotions. If you mean upgrades, and not promotions, you are still not correct, because while they pay less for upgrades (depending on the level) than humans, they still have to pay for them.

It often selects inappropriate ones as well.

Yeah, and so do humans... your point?

Multiplayer, I'm sure Civ 4 is better since Civ 3 had none for a while.

Civ 3 never had a functioning live MP version worth playing.

[LDiCesare]

The games are so similar, only hardcore nerds who mastered the ins and outs of Civ 3 could possibly call these minute improvements worth $50.

Personnally, I hate civ 3 and love civ 4.
You also totally forgot the fact that you can mod almost everything in civ4. I play on my own map script, and Fall from Heaven II in Civ4 couldn't have done in Civ 3 for instance.

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Ming
While you are welcome to your opinion, it's a bad troll at best

Not really that bad, if you consider that even Ming fell for the troll.

[rah]

I hate to admit that I've started giving my mobile units more flanking promotions after watching the AI kick my ass sometimes with it. So I know the AI may not always do the right promotion but it get it right more often then you probably think.

And for example, you see a lot of AI gunpowder units with shock when there aren't any melee left to fight but the only reason for that is they're old upgraded units that had it before. If I paid as little for upgrading as the AI, I'd have a lot of units that looked weird promotion wise also. I spend my money on the units that work best since I can rarely afford to upgrade all at one time.