Civ4: Omega Expansion

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by nugog
Alexander01 I agree that lots of the stuff in expansion packs seems pointless, or adds nothing to the core game

I would love to see, as stated before, and I know I'm the only one in the whole world who wants this, a CIV MEGA expansion.

Super long game, 50 hours average, massive complicated tech trees, self determined trade routes, lots of units that do not have a military funtction,

I suppose I agree. I would love to see that kind of stuff. I'd love to be able to spend more time in the ancient world, and actually have grand, full fledged ancient wars before the ticker flips over to AD.

Originally posted by nugog
micro management out the wazoo!
That would be

I disagree. That's really what put me off Civ3, and definitely off of CTP.

Originally posted by nugog
If the expansion pack only offers scenarios , more civs , more leaders for existing civs or any other silly window dressing, then I for one will not not be purchasing it.

I'll definitely buy whatever expansions they put out. (I guess I'm just superloyal to Firaxis.) I just hope that whatever additions they add, from new civs to gameplay tweaks to whatever, is useful. It needs to fit. Statue fo Zeus, as it was, did not fit into Civ when it was added in C3C. Neither did several other new features (such as that Austrian glitch). Civ4 has taken it up a notch, but there's still the danger of the expansion destroying the vanilla core.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Alexander01
Don't think I'm saying I don't want more expansions, because I do. I guess my point is simply that any expansions had better be worth it. Their contributions to civ should be needed. Adding junk just for the sake of adding it is not good civ. New expansions should enrich.

Well the point of the originalpost was to imply that instead of 2 XPs with a fair amount of new stuff included, we'll probably be getting 3 of Warlord's type additions that aren't alot in themselves, but still add something to the game. In a way I like that approach because it gives them more of a chance to see what will work, and what will be appreciated by the public.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Willem


Well the point of the originalpost was to imply that instead of 2 XPs with a fair amount of new stuff included, we'll probably be getting 3 of Warlord's type additions that aren't alot in themselves, but still add something to the game. In a way I like that approach because it gives them more of a chance to see what will work, and what will be appreciated by the public.

I don't mind experimentation, but I can't abide crumminess.

I'd like to see some of Civ2's "old world charm" return to the series.

[Nugog]

And Super Praetorians

[johnmcd]

Thus far, the Warlords expansion has lacked so much ambition that there is no danger I'll be going near it.

The next updates will need to be much more profound to interest me.

[Alexander I]

Anybody have any ideas for where to send the Omega petition?

[Alexander I]

You know, something inside me says we can expect:

Dutch - Willem
Mayans - Smoke Jaguar (lame!)
Babylon - Hammurabi
Byzantines - Theodora
Portuguese - Henry the Nav.
Sioux - Sitting Bull

As much as I would like to see new blood like the Hebrews, Ethiopians and Khmer, I think Firaxis may just follow precedent. Oh well. Something is better than nothing. Now just cross your fingers and hope for an early announcement on Warlords' coattails.

[DrSpike]

Well, from reading the forums I think quite a few people (myself included) don't really care what civs they add.

[padillah]

I agree with Spike, I don't need new civs.

Put some "balls" in the next one. I bought Warlords for Vassal States, not the Civs. Yes, I like that they properly added the Celts but I can dip into the XML, rename, re-trait, and generaly rebuild any given AI into whateveer civ name I want. I don't anthropomorphise video games, it's a waste of time.

Tom P.

[eris]

Originally posted by padillah
I agree with Spike, I don't need new civs.

Put some "balls" in the next one. I bought Warlords for Vassal States, not the Civs. Yes, I like that they properly added the Celts but I can dip into the XML, rename, re-trait, and generaly rebuild any given AI into whateveer civ name I want. I don't anthropomorphise video games, it's a waste of time.

Tom P.

Any video game can be considered a waste of time. It is entertainment after all, not productive work going to fuel the nation's economy. However, we all place a certain amount of personal value on entertainment. And if our form of entertainment is anthropomorphising or role playing or whatever, then it is no longer a waste of time for us. In fact, for those that so indulge, it adds tremendous value to the game. Otherwise, it is just bits and bytes pushing against other bits and bytes. You can enjoy the games however you want to, but I think you are missing out on something.

But if you are enjoying yourself your way, then neither of us are wasting our time.

(Unless you count posting on these forums instead of actually playing. That could be a grey area. Hmmm. I think I will go play some Civ now.)

[eris]

Originally posted by padillah
I agree with Spike, I don't need new civs.

Put some "balls" in the next one. I bought Warlords for Vassal States, not the Civs. Yes, I like that they properly added the Celts but I can dip into the XML, rename, re-trait, and generaly rebuild any given AI into whateveer civ name I want. I don't anthropomorphise video games, it's a waste of time.

Tom P.

Any video game can be considered a waste of time. It is entertainment after all, not productive work going to fuel the nation's economy. However, we all place a certain amount of personal value on entertainment. And if our form of entertainment is anthropomorphising or role playing or whatever, then it is no longer a waste of time for us. In fact, for those that so indulge, it adds tremendous value to the game. Otherwise, it is just bits and bytes pushing against other bits and bytes. You can enjoy the games however you want to, but I think you are missing out on something.

But if you are enjoying yourself your way, then neither of us are wasting our time.

(Unless you count posting on these forums instead of actually playing. That could be a grey area. Hmmm. I think I will go play some Civ now.)

[Alexander I]

Here's an idea. Before religions are founded, each civ has it's own mythology that would have some sort of effect on culture and happiness. Perhaps they could spread, and the farther your civ's lore has spread, the more bonus points you get. Just an idea.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Well, from reading the forums I think quite a few people (myself included) don't really care what civs they add.

You should know by now that whenever I make civilization statements they're only directed at people who care.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Well, from reading the forums I think quite a few people (myself included) don't really care what civs they add.

I dont care about more civs either, but I do want more traits, and you cant have more traits without more civs

[Alexander I]

Here's another idea:

Holy Wars
If you are the founder of a faith, you can declare a Holy War on an opposing faith that has offended you. All other civs with your faith must declare war on all civs with the opposing faith or renounce your faith (and in so doing be excommunicated and become a target of the holy war as heretics). Of course, there would have to be some sort of casus belli to get it all started, so that the whole game isn't just one long dumb crusade. Mind you, it wouldn't have to be much, though.

Example:

Bismarck, Alexander, Mao and Shaka are Confucian. Bismarck is the founder of the faith, and is upset with Hannibal, the founder of Christianity. He demanded that Hannibal convert, and Hannibal refused! Bismarck declares a holy war on Christians, which includes any other civs with that faith, say Isabella and Ramses. When Bismarck calls for Holy War, the other 3 Confucians are brought in as well. Mao rejects the war and becomes an enemy. All of a sudden, the game has become a lot more complicated.

When Holy War is declared, civs should be able to access a special holy warrior unit: the Fanatic.

Whatever tech makes Holy War available should also make Fanatics and the improved Knights Templar wonder available.