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[yin26]

conmcb25: I think it's absolutely great that a number of Civers like you have basically a guaranteed hit on your hands. Frankly, if I were Sid, I'd probably go with the "If it ain't broke..." thing with Civ myself. Of course, I'd also do something very different but in the empire-builder genre and call it something other than Civ.

You're right about the use of the same engine. I couldn't stand hardly looking at the screens for Pirates2! simply because I thought they looked so darned goofy, so it's no surprise that my aesthetic scores for Civ 4 fell to the floor the first time I saw a pirate with a wig on passing as King Louie.

But it's like music, isn't it? Issues like graphics can be debated forever, and if that engine appeals to the greatest number of gamers, who am I to argue?

In the end, I'm often too fickle for my own good. It's such a rare game that I really enjoying sinking my teeth into that I'll go months and months without wanting to fire up any game CD at all. But I try all kinds of stuff. Heck, I even just played a few sessions of The Political Machine because I respect Brad Wardell's attempt to push some envelopes (direct delivery of games, etc.). Well, the Political Machine was a complete mess, but I appreciated the breathe of fresh air anyway.

So if anybody wants to label me as fastidious and prone to discounting sequels perhaps too quickly, I'm guilty as charged.

[yin26]

By the way, has anybody noticed that my "negativity thread" has the second highest views of any thread in this Civ 4 forum and it's not even a sticky thread?

What's my point? Simply that there is an obvious need for anxious gamers to ponder the negative what ifs of a game. We've all been burned, and sometimes it's just cathartic to try to antipate bad gaming industry behavior so that if the bad possibility becomes reality, you don't feel so gullible. In my case, it's also saved me a lot of money and wasted gaming time over the years.

[notyoueither]

OK for your POV on game buying habits, but I don't see reviving the 'fanboy'-'whiner' wars of several years ago to be helpful... at all... to this forum. However, you seem to thrive on it, so I doubt we'll see a change of behaviour anytime soon.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by yin26
conmcb25: I think it's absolutely great that a number of Civers like you have basically a guaranteed hit on your hands. Frankly, if I were Sid, I'd probably go with the "If it ain't broke..." thing with Civ myself. Of course, I'd also do something very different but in the empire-builder genre and call it something other than Civ.

You're right about the use of the same engine. I couldn't stand hardly looking at the screens for Pirates2! simply because I thought they looked so darned goofy, so it's no surprise that my aesthetic scores for Civ 4 fell to the floor the first time I saw a pirate with a wig on passing as King Louie.

But it's like music, isn't it? Issues like graphics can be debated forever, and if that engine appeals to the greatest number of gamers, who am I to argue?

In the end, I'm often too fickle for my own good. It's such a rare game that I really enjoying sinking my teeth into that I'll go months and months without wanting to fire up any game CD at all. But I try all kinds of stuff. Heck, I even just played a few sessions of The Political Machine because I respect Brad Wardell's attempt to push some envelopes (direct delivery of games, etc.). Well, the Political Machine was a complete mess, but I appreciated the breathe of fresh air anyway.

So if anybody wants to label me as fastidious and prone to discounting sequels perhaps too quickly, I'm guilty as charged.

Um I am not a fanboi, I have issues with CIV3 myself, although I do enjoy playing a game from time to time.

And I guess I guessed correctly on our view of gaming. I liked Pirates! (remake) and I like that game engine. I dont think you should get CIV4, and Im being serious, if those cartoony graphics aren't your cup of tea you probably wont like the game.

By the way a good friend of mine does work for Firaxis and he said CIV 2.7 has the potential to be a blockbuster. At a minimum a great game. And he is no fanboi either.

I could and may very well be disappointed but everything Im seeing right now isn't pointing me in that direction.

But hey thats just MHO, and opinions are like asssholes, everyone has one

[Stuie]

Originally posted by yin26
By the way, has anybody noticed that my "negativity thread" has the second highest views of any thread in this Civ 4 forum and it's not even a sticky thread?

Actually third - you must have missed the Infinite Rail Movement thread.

It wouldn't be a Civ release without Yin hanging out for a month or two prior to the game actually shipping.

[yin26]

Let's be honest: Any Civ game that doesn't do its best to screw things up (like Civ 3 did) will most likely be a blockbuster. It's like those god-awful sugar Easter bunnies...something about that time of year just makes people buy them by the bucket load. It's sort of a tradition now, I suppose. A new Civ every few years.

Here's something, though: Dollar for dollar, Civ and games like Civ have given me more bang for my gaming buck than any other form of entertainment I've tried (well, entertainment a person has to pay for, that is ). So while I put on the negativity hat more often than not, I still hold the Civ series in high regard overall, and continue to think the franchise holds even greater promise than what we've yet seen.

Though maybe it's like Chess: the basic rules of this game are frozen in time, only to be decorated differently with novelty pieces and in-laid faux paneling...

[yin26]

Stuie: Ah, yes. I stand corrected.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by yin26
Though maybe it's like Chess: the basic rules of this game are frozen in time, only to be decorated differently with novelty pieces and in-laid faux paneling...

Well sort of, the concept stays the same but the rules DO change, that is what makes a new one every 5 years or so kind of fun

[Stuie]

See. He does admit when he's wrong.

Seriously Yin - it's good to see you still hanging around. I'll never forget how much you pissed me off on the old SMAC forums.

Now I've grown older and less passionate. Or maybe the games are less passion inspiring. Or maybe I could care less what other people think as long as I'm having fun... hmmm...

Probably all of the above.

[Robert]

Yin: What's really funny are the people saying "Don't take yourself so seriously, Yin" yet they are here hanging on my every word, putting notes about me in signatures, etc.

It's really disturbing how you got a point overthere
Maybe I'm taking it far too serious that you take yourself too serious :P

Maybe it bothers you that I don't take *your* view?

Of course it bothers me

Ow well, it bothers me straight into my heart that somebody is saying that civ4 will be civ 2.7 and he's even serious about it! ARGH!
Though I have to admit that I doesn't keep me away from sleeping. Mostly all feelings flow away as soon as I've closed the poly-browser screen, so there's nothing too worry about too much

ARGH civ 4 = civ 2.7............

I'm allright!

[MarkG]

Originally posted by yin26
By the way, has anybody noticed that my "negativity thread" has the second highest views of any thread in this Civ 4 forum and it's not even a sticky thread?

actually if you show ALL the threads since the beggining of the forum, it's not even on page 1


btw, lots of talk, no donations to the fund. our cause is doomed...

[Robert]

You still have to convince me that yin deserves a free box of civ

I'm a little bit of a splitted personality right now. On one side I'd love it to see him eat the box though.

[Dinner]

I suspect Yin is right that most of Civ 3's glaring short comings will not be addressed in Civ 4.

[yin26]

Originally posted by Stuie
Seriously Yin - it's good to see you still hanging around. I'll never forget how much you pissed me off on the old SMAC forums.

Now I've grown older and less passionate. Or maybe the games are less passion inspiring. Or maybe I could care less what other people think as long as I'm having fun... hmmm...

Probably all of the above.

LOL! That's funny. Man, those SMAC forums seems a million years ago, don't they?

ARGH civ 4 = civ 2.7............

Cyber, I know that one really bugs you. Like I said, though, I think for most gamers this just means Civ 4 will be a nice (if a bit conservative) progression in the series, that's all!

actually if you show ALL the threads since the beggining of the forum, it's not even on page 1


btw, lots of talk, no donations to the fund. our cause is doomed...

Yes, Markos is right: The posts about the List and various polls associated with it have a lot of views, too, which shows people were really focused on giving Firaxis ideas. If you take those out or look at posts since then (that is, after we've been released some real information about the game), it's just interesting to see that people are interested in potential problems. But that's just a normal part of gaming, I think.

As for the cause being doomed, I do actually prefer to eat spaghetti anyway, you know!

Originally posted by Oerdin
I suspect Yin is right that most of Civ 3's glaring short comings will not be addressed in Civ 4.

I certainly don't wish that to be the case, of course.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by CyberShy
I'd love it to see him eat the box though.

I want to see him eat the box just for the helll of it

Kind of like "Reality Video Streaming" or something like that