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Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
So that means it's still in development, and has lots of room for improvements.
So that means it's still in development, and has lots of room for improvements.
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Now is the time to make our opinions felt.
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You -do- know they're just going to read this forum, and do whatever the hell they were going to do anyway, right?Comment
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This is Civ4, not MOO3.Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
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You -do- know they're just going to read this forum, and do whatever the hell they were going to do anyway, right?
(I hope you are wrong.)"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
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Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
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You -do- know they're just going to read this forum, and do whatever the hell they were going to do anyway, right?
That's wrong. I believe one of the Firaxians stated that they do read the forum, and take suggestions from it.Comment
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Originally posted by Nuclear Master
That's wrong. I believe one of the Firaxians stated that they do read the forum, and take suggestions from it. A giant thumbs up to the Firaxians. It feels good to have even a tiny impact on how things go. 
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My guess only--NO. Sid and Company know but are not talking.Originally posted by Nuclear Master
Does anyone know when they actually started to make cIV?Comment
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Nuclear Master, vince278:
I suppose I am a bit pessimistic about the issue.
But hey, I campaigned against the 24-hour day in World of Warcraft, and Blizzard still included it.
If Blizzard doesn't listen to its customers, then why would an inferior company like Firaxis do so?
Just a thought.Comment
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Its still too early to call Firaxis inferior, IMHO. Blizzard has lowered my opinion of themselves years ago. Warcraft was an excellent game but they are killing it sequels and clones (Starcraft). They're all the same to me. Diablo on the other hand was an outstanding product.Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
If Blizzard doesn't listen to its customers, then why would an inferior company like Firaxis do so?
Just a thought.
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Well, it is ok to make a "clone" if you improve the game and gameplay. Warcraft II and Starcraft both did this, and that latter had an incrediably good story to boot.Originally posted by Vince278 Its still too early to call Firaxis inferior, IMHO. Blizzard has lowered my opinion of themselves years ago. Warcraft was an excellent game but they are killing it sequels and clones (Starcraft). They're all the same to me. Diablo on the other hand was an outstanding product.
Diablo II though, ehh, they never really balanced that worth a darn, and it sometimes seemed like they never cared.
WC III also wasn't that great, imho, and even with the expansion it doesn't offer the strategic depth of Starcraft. The counters are too hard, so you have to build up the entire tech tree and make sure you always use counters; otherwise you are toast. Starcraft was a bit more flexible in this area, so you could play the same race in a variety of ways.
Anyhow, the important folk have left Blizzard, and I no longer consider it the great company it once was. You just have to just each game release (from any company) on its own merit. Some are hits and some are misses. Civ III was a miss, imho*, but cIV might be dead-on.
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*I hear Conquerers dramatically changed this though, so I'll have to get it. Heh, has anyone notice that Amazon is trying to sell the Civ III + PtW Box matched with the C3C Expansion at a reduced price. Poor fools that buy it doesn't realize they could spend a lot less money, and get Civ III for a mere 10 bucks now (and then buy C3C which has PtW in it)."If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Hi,
Did anyone notice www.civ4.com is registered and leads back to civ3.com at the moment? According to the records it's already been registered in november 2003.
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Yep, now I noticedOriginally posted by tuckson
Hi,
Did anyone notice www.civ4.com is registered and leads back to civ3.com at the moment? According to the records it's already been registered in november 2003.
Kind regards I hope this is a sign that they are preparing the start of the civ4 project.
It could off course also be standard procedure to avoid anyone to 'steal' the address in case they ever decide to create civ4. (in any case www.civ5.com does not work )
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Can we have (not another moo3) Moo4 please? (will they buy it back?).Comment
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Hi all,
I just went back to playing Civ III after the disapointment of RRT3.
I actually did want a logical progression from Civ II- that means as a starter the company needs to listen to what the fans of II really want. Like most companies they totally ignored them.
A Civ III made from the real Civ fan suggestions would have pleased me greatly.
If anyone wants Civ IV to be made from the ground up, lobby another company for a new game.
Almost every single suggestion made by fans of Civ I and II was utterly ignored by the company.
The strongest cry was for a real diplomacy model as mentioned above- completely ignored.
What we got was pre-ordained combat results, to counter the silliness of a tireme beating a battleship.
Now my (6 att) Cavalry unit will get beaten everytime by a Warrior (1 def) if that's what the AI has decided will happen- one daft system to another.
The AI will still try to sneak into any gap within your territory and set up a city, and still shows no sign of any intelligence in setting up cities within her own borders, two squares between each city still seem normal.
The game still rushes through history leaving most combat once you have tanks- I find combat in the dark and middle ages the most fun- you really have to plan well to execute a war.
This is a long strategic game- so leave it that way, that's why we like it!! (My main criticism of Civ- too rushed!!)
In my current game, I've shared a common border with the Germans for 2,000 years, I've seen Knights and Musketmen, yet my foreign advisor still "has no knowlege of the German military"- I've fired the lot of them, as each turn I see ample evidence of her capability, and therefore my foreign office team was clearly rubbish!
In summary, I wanted Infogrames to listen to the improvements the fans wanted in Civ II, what we got was a game made by blokes both blind-folded and using ear-plugs.
When will companies listen to the customers? This must be the only industry where customer satisfaction isn't a criterion in company policy.
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Pherhaps someone who lives close to Firaxis should drive by and walk into their office and make friends with the developers (bring beer)
They might talk and give some good info!
Bring your photo camera and take some real screen-shots when they're playing their famous network games on the alpha version!
So, who's living close to them?Formerly known as "CyberShy"
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Mate,
How about them simply choosing half-an-hour each day to simply read the official board to see what the customer comments are? I'm sure the tea-boy wouldn't mind doing it.
I noticed with dread that you say Firaxis are making the game, so after the awful "Alpha Centuri" I'll read all reviews before buying the game.
The company needs to move on and leave us Civ fans alone, imagine one company destroying two titles. not just one. (no potential was realised with the Alpha Centuri concept as the Fireaxis game was so bad it killed it stone dead).
How on earth did they get chosen?
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