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**Theben** · August 12, 2008, 18:06

Strategic hints to GM: You shouldn't advise players. Someone may get upset about 'non-partial interference'.

**DarkCloud** · August 12, 2008, 18:28

Theben- I took out the one that was questionable, I'm sure we both know which one that was.

But most of the hints were pointing out things that people might have overlooked in the rules.

...
Since even as a GM I seem to have overlooked something- as Spaced Cowboy just pointed out!

**DarkCloud** · August 12, 2008, 18:31

Okay spaced, I'll fix that. On a quick runthough this means that everyone who was attacking has more armies than they did... and Texas didn't lose those 62 soldiers... No more cities were lost- because those were sneak attacks though.

**MJW** · August 12, 2008, 18:54

Remove for being to 'gloating'. The thing below is just a double-post. I did not gloat for over a post over this silly thing!

**MJW** · August 12, 2008, 19:04

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**Sparrowhawk** · August 12, 2008, 20:10

Re: Society: Turn 7 or 8?

Originally posted by DarkCloud

Code:

 The Cost of Technology for the new turn:             
           
  

    2 Iron Working 1 gold.  

    3 Monarchy 4 golds.  

    4 Architecture 10 golds.  

    5 Geography 6 golds.  

    6 Religion 10 golds.  

    7 Espionage 17 golds.  

    8 Industrialization 28 golds.  

    9 Representative Govt 45 golds.  

    10 Mass Education 73 golds.  

    11 Nuclear Fission 118 golds.

Aside from my earlier moot point about the techs we have all discovered (up to 9 now) which by my math should now cost 0, I think the other techs are wrong as well.

The formula:

The more people who have a tech, the cheaper it is to research it.

Cost = Base Price * (P - R )/ P

P = Total number of players

R= Number of players who have discovered that particular technology.

So by my math:

Tech 10:
P = 5
R = 4
Cost = 220 * (5-4)/5 = 44 Gold

Tech 11:
P = 5
R = 1
Cost = 356 * (5-1)/5 = 285

Quite the difference from the Chart.

/me

**Spaced Cowboy** · August 12, 2008, 20:36

Oh and BTW, since my attack was against someone who attacked me, it is not a sneak attack.

**DarkCloud** · August 12, 2008, 20:37

But there are 6 Players, counting EPW.

**DarkCloud** · August 12, 2008, 20:38

Oh, Spaced, yes. Sorry.... I didn't calculate how many cities you could have captured at all- I just calculated how the two-way attack turned out.

I'll figure that out in a few minutes.

**DarkCloud** · August 12, 2008, 21:32

Revised Turn Chart and Map

Code:


  
    Society
    Cities
    Tech
    Army
    SS Parts
    Nukes
    SDI
    Gold
    Govt.
  
  
    Theben
    21
    11
    126
    0
    0
    0
    1626
    1
  
  
    EPW
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0
    30
    1
  
  
    Sparrowhawk
    14
    10
    29
    0
    0
    0
    1635
    2
  
  
    Spaced Cowboy
    15
    10
    27
    0
    0
    0
    673
    2
  
  
    Jonny
    18
    10
    53
    0
    0
    0
    1251
    1
  
  
    MJW
    6
    9
    0
    0
    0
    0
    409
    1
  
  
 The Cost of Technology for the new turn:             
           
  

    2 Iron Working 1 gold.  

    3 Monarchy 4 gold.  

    4 Architecture 10 golds.  

    5 Geography 6 golds.  

    6 Religion 10 gold.  

    7 Espionage 17 gold.  

    8 Industrialization 28 gold  

    9 Representative Govt 45 gold.  

    10 Mass Education 73 gold.  

    11 Nuclear Fission 297 gold.

Attached Files

**DarkCloud** · August 12, 2008, 21:39

And for the wars, this should be correct:

Wars

1.) KIRAS KINGDOM---REPUBLIC OF TEXAS
THE GREAT WAR
* The Great Battle of The Century began with Kira's Kingdom troops wading across the Rio Grande into Texan territory.
It ended, with all the Brave Kiraians either dead or enslaved.

KIRAS
170 troops x 9 Tech Level = 1530

TEXAS
180 troops x 10 Tech Level = 1800

1800-1530=270
270/10=
27 survivors for the Empire of Texas.

Cities Captured
180/9= (20)- 170/14 (12.1)
(7.9)x 10/9 (1.11)=
8.78 cities captured, rounded down.
Spaced Cowboy captures 8 Cities from MJW.
Spaced Cowboy recaptures the Acropolis and captures the TROJAN HORSE.

MJW cities= 6
TAX= 54x1.5=81x5=405 income+4 gp from last turn= 409gp+TRADE(0)

2.)NINJABADHISTAN---MISSOURI
THE BATTLE OF MISSOURI--SNEAK ATTACK

NINJABADHISTAN
130 troops

MISSOURI
40 troops

all four SNEAK ATTACK targets were captured and missouri lost the cities of: B7 through F7.

Casualties were as follows

Ninjabadhistan
D/AT= 40/11= 4 Soldiers

Missouri
(D/DC)xCities lost
40/18= 8.88
= 9 Soldiers

3.) MONARCHY OF MISSOURI--REPUBLIC OF TEXAS
THE GREAT WAR--SNEAK ATTACK

many malodrous missourian missionary monarchists still felt up for battle, despite the beating they had taken, and 50 of them assaulted G6,H6,I6,and J7; the bordering cities.

Missouri was victorious, gaining four new cities to make up for the four previously lost to Ninjabadhistan. However, taxes could not be collected on these newly captured cities.

TEXAS
0 soldiers

MISSOURI
50 soldiers

Casualties for the attacker:
D/AT= 153/10= 16 troops

Casualties for the Defender:
(D/DC)xCities lost

Missouri lost 18, leaving 32 attackers.

Note: Yes, I recalculated Army support.

**DarkCloud** · August 12, 2008, 21:43

I think that should be right.

I'm sorry for the errors. I decided to do the last round completely by hand since the previous rounds were done by my program but were buggy for some reason... even by hand, I still have troubles

I appreciate your help in finding the troubles though.

...I am glad I have never been audited for taxes... my mathematics skills appear to rank somewhere below grade school competence.

**Theben** · August 12, 2008, 22:20

Originally posted by DarkCloud
KIRAS
170 troops x 9 Tech Level = 1530

TEXAS
180 troops x 10 Tech Level = 1800

1800-1530=270
270/10=
27 casualties for the Empire of Texas.

After this game combat will need to be fixed IMO. According to this, the closer MJW was in troop/tech strength to Spaced, the smaller Spaced's casualties would have been.

And I calc'ed my, Jonny's, and Spaced's taxes, and they're all good ex. Spaced should have 547, not 447 (7 cities*5*10*2=700).

Sparrow's comment about tech cost is another question. I also would have assumed that dead players don't figure into the calcs, I don't mind either way but I'd like to know for certain... that and tech 11 cost is still off.

**DarkCloud** · August 12, 2008, 23:39

Hmm... Thanks a lot for checking the math. You were right about fixing the price for tech 11.

As for the dead player being factored into it- I'd argue for keeping that for two reasons:

1.) It encourages players not to attack wantonly.
2.) It's a pain to automate... assuming I do succeed in fully automating this game for the GM- which is difficult, but at this point too many hours have been spent not to follow through.

Your comment about fixing the comment calculations also definitely merits further discussion and correction.

**DarkCloud** · August 13, 2008, 00:19

Okay... last minute requests for me to fix things... I'm heading out in probably 10 hours and won't be back till GMT Monday 02:00. (yes, quite early).

Good luck!

Society	Cities	Tech	Army	SS Parts	Nukes	SDI	Gold	Govt.
Theben	21	11	126	0	0	0	1626	1
EPW	0	0	0	0	0	0	30	1
Sparrowhawk	14	10	29	0	0	0	1635	2
Spaced Cowboy	15	10	27	0	0	0	673	2
Jonny	18	10	53	0	0	0	1251	1
MJW	6	9	0	0	0	0	409	1

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