Civ IV? Other Games Gamers opinions

[Dis]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex


They can't? Are they only effective against ground troops?

Carolus

against all units they can only do 50% damage. This can be modified in the editor. I still haven't tried rasing that to 100% (which would kill them I would suspect)

[Carolus Rex]

Do you know the reason for this limit?

Carolus

[DrSpike]

Well it's obvious..........cats are powerful enough, if a stack of cats could kill units you wouldn't actually need anything else.

[Carolus Rex]

Eh... Catapults? I was referring to airplanes (Dis too, no?)... Is there a similar limit regarding catapults?

Carolus

[DrSpike]

Well it's the same principle of bombard units.

[Carolus Rex]

Hm, I see... So there's a new tactical twist when you attack...

But don't units need to be adjacent to the units they attack anymore? Cats are powerful in Civ 2 as well, but they're very vulnerable and need to be stacked with defensive units when attacking...

It's not a selfplaying piano attacking with cats (like, say, the howie sweep)... It's slow and needs careful planning... Is there something new in Civ 4 about that (is bombarding = attacking from many squares away?)?

Carolus

[DrSpike]

Well you have to be adjacent.

Remember there is no ADM now, so cats don't have 1 defence, they have 5 strength.

You still need to defend them, but when you manage it well they are very powerful. Remeber best defender defends and the rock/paper/scissors is more pronouned in Civ4.

When cats attack (win or lose) they do collateral damage, and if this was allowed to go to 100% then cats would be even more powerful. As is stands now you still need the units to mop up after the cats have done their thing.

See?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
And did that work for you UR?

Absolutely no effect whatsover.

However after I lowered colour depth to 16-bit it works better. Still not free of problems, but better.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
Do you know the reason for this limit?

Carolus

gameplay balance. But as I said, this may be able to be modded to 100% damage.

edit: see this thread. It does say planes can be modded for lethal bombard. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...7&pagenumber=2

So now if we could just give the ability to have planes attack specific targets in a city, I would be very happy. It's not like the Japanese on Dec7 set out to destory the city infrastructure and missed and accidently sunk the battleships.

[Tuberski]

Catapults can attack and destroy units.....but they will take damage. Bombard knocks units to 50%, but cats don't get damaged.

Bombers are awesome for reducing defenses and for reducing enemy unit strength to 50%.

The best part of these features, is that, if you have 10 Bombers stacked and use it to bomb a city, it only uses the amount of the bombers necessary to reduce defense to 0. The rest of the bombers can make a second run to reduce unit strength to 50%.

Makes taking cities a lot easier.

ACK!

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by DrSpike

Remember there is no ADM now, so cats don't have 1 defence, they have 5 strength.

Ah, I forgot about that! Maybe I should refrain from discussing a game until I've actually played it...

I've picked up a new laptop now... Don't know if it will handle Civ IV well, though... It has an ATI Mobility Radeon X700 video card (128 MB)...

Well... I might pick up a new desktop by the time the Game of the Year Edition comes out... It's about time to retire this one, which I bought in october/november 1998... Upgraded once or twice, but still ...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Dis

gameplay balance. But as I said, this may be able to be modded to 100% damage.

How expensive are bombers to build in terms of, what is it now instead of shields, hammers?

Carolus